Part 2: The Press & The Royals a discussion

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Following on from this thread: Part 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4786923-the-press-the-royals-a-discussion?page=1

As we know, the press often manufacture stories to create divisions between the women in the family, more often than the men. They have also hacked private communications, with cases ongoing. The public seem to feed off this and none of the family get treated very well except the monarch-although not always.

For discussion: do we think it is possible for the royal family to stay relevant and in the publics mind without their unhealthy relationship with the media, and how can they achieve that? How will previous and current legal proceedings alter the relationship?
Please do not intentionally derail this thread by discussing your personal dislike of particular family members or if they deserve it. I would really like to continue this discussion on how the royal family and the press interact, as above.

If their life were a movie, it would be a creepy but cheap thriller on Netflix in which two married journalists get obsessed with a young woman that the man met once, and both start stalking her, ending with both of them chasing her in the rain before they both fall down an empty lift shaft.

A ‘3 laughter emoji’ response from me.

(I grown to hate actually even looking at those laughing emoji symbols, lately)

When it comes to Meghan , Piers does seem obsessed and creepy. He strikes me as just the sort of bloke that would be all paternal with a 17 classical singer Charlotte Church, and a total jerk capable of all sorts of arseholery when it comes to Meghan. He may not have hacked peoples phones, (I guess we might just find out soon),but I find it hard to believe as an editor that he didn’t know it was happening until well after the fact. I’m now interested in what his wife has said.

Yes true @Iwasafool I had almost forgotten about the blimin wallpaper! Imagine being so rich you give money to the British royal family or pay for the PMs wallpaper in the official residence. What a world.

And there was the whole thing about the Queens secretary repeatedly requesting meetings with Murdoch’s executives until the Queen eventually had to bring in the lawyers. I know that is a ‘The Sun’ matter, but I think that attitude could very possibly be held by other big media concerns like MGN. If any RF members had been leaking to them against other family members - IF - then they wouldn’t have much respect for them, would they?

If any RF members had been leaking to them against other family members - IF - then they wouldn’t have much respect for them, would they?

And who could blame them?
The difficulty with getting into a pigpen is that you're apt to find pigs when you get there

It's been going on for years. One of the daughters was gifted a diamond necklace by Kaituni who'd been in prison for drugs offences and trying to smuggle a sub machine gun into France. All before the diamond necklace gift.
Nothing to see here folks
Now why would he do that if it were not some sort of backhander. Yep, Andrew had lobbied for this guy to be given a contract with a British water treatment firm.
This is just one instance. Don't get me started....
I have always blamed the Queen and PPhilip for letting him get away with these shady deals for decades.

There's a lot of revisionism going on here re the 'royals' and the press

It was always presented as the 'royals ' being above it all.
That they didn't t sully themselves with the idea of propaganda and that they only needed a comma u to to let us know which tyre factory they are opening that day

Scandals were suppressed until they couldn't be suppressed any more

Not it's a matter of ' oh of course it was always like that !'

No it wasn't

And comparing to politicians os invalid
Politicians are elected and can and re voted out

The Windsors are up to their necks in leaks and campaigns against rivals and we are all paying for it whether we like it or not

Only needed a comms unit that should be .

Nothing made me laugh like the Piers Morgan stunt meeting the York women.

So, to summarise.
Camilla is 'invited' as guest of honour to her own do. But, she is not vetting who comes - meaning the Taliban/Isis/Putin or any other terrorist can turn up. So far so Bin Laden.
No, she is 'just a guest'. To her own party, 'hosted' by someone else - You know, like the coronation was hosted by the Duke of Norfork the coronation (so technically not Charles event at all).

Anyhoo, the plebs are massively complaining about Camila associations with PM and JC.

Guess what, fast forward a few weeks, the York sisters are invited to a small informal gathering with friends. Most likely not told that Piers and his wife will be there. But, 'gotcha!', because here is Piers and wife waiting outside the restaurant to greet them (pap in hanging around). You have to bear in mind there was no story/court case about PM nor York sisters back then, no need for paps to be around. Nothing was happening . A random restaurant. None of them are ever a story, in general . Anyway, he is there hugging Bea, though it seems Eug was quick to spot the set up.

Blimey, how effing transparent is this.

Do I have to spell it out?

The message:

You can find yourself in a random restaurant with PM, because your friends invited him (except this is not a party hosted on behalf of the York girls, so no formal list of who is invited would have been sent out).

I would have a word with the 'friend' who invited them, if I was the York girls.

*I know some random is gonna come here and faux outrage at me calling them girls. Not an insult, they have a youthful energy and I don't view that negatively, quite the opposite.

Oh that’s so well summarised @notanotheroneagain it’s funny too because another thread is obsessed with Meghan setting up pap shots by wearing her own watch.

Off topic but re public image - I still can't believe no one is talking about Charles and Camilla appearing on American idol on coronation day ( yes I know pre recorded but it's still precious mustnt upset the king /drag peaceful citizens into custody day )

How tawdry !

I only just saw that! It was so weird 😂 but maybe it’s more common than I think.

But this is why I said get the popcorn.

MM seems to be decidedly taking herself out of the game.

People were quick to clock that KM is now going to be the scapegoat after 4 negative stories in a few days.

Well, that's how it works. You portray KM as an angel vs devil MM, well people will keep believing that KM is that angel. It will take time to undo that.
Also quite problematic to have the next queen as portrayed as bad.

Will Andrew allow his kids to be scapegoated ? I don't think so.

Andrew himself is easy to scapegoat, but I think he has something big hidden regarding the family - hence not as much pushback as you would expect regarding him. So his dc, didn't have quite such a rough ride, nor Fergie either. I'm talking about recent years. I'd be surprised if he allows the press go full MM on his family. 1 or 2 negative stories about the York girls, I think that is all he would take, not a sustained campaign.

Edward did his part. Bullied into submission. His young DC toe the line too. Nothing to say there.

Anne has been sainted as hardest working.

Her dc could be made villains , but thank goodness they don't have titles etc. So not much to say there.(ps, her son did marry a Canadian, so this 'not understanding culture' nonsense about MM, is exactly that, nonsence)

So, yeah !
Now, I'm just waiting to hear who is the next bad guy.

The red tops must be scrambling, and Harry is putting a caboose on things.

I am so sick of the pathetic watch talk when no one will answer me as to why it's OK for Kate to wear Diana's jewellery when rock climbing.

@Novella4
That was sooooo naff, it really really was. If this is about appealing to the masses, please just leave it out.
I can only begin to imagine the fury, vitriol and sneering if you know who pulled a stunt like that.

@Novella4

Deeply embarrassing and cringey, and it was clearly a quid pro quo for Lionel Richie and Katy Perry (who are AI judges) performing at the coronation concert.

Says a lot that there is more outrage over Harry wearing Dior than over the fact that the first act of the newly crowned King and Queen was to appear on American Idol.

I am still to understand why they are so keen to court Americans ... why does the survival of the monarchy appear to hinge on the affection of a country that jettisoned the monarchy years ago. Oh wait: could it be about monetising the monarchy!!

Next time someone accuses Meghan and Harry of monetising their titles, just shout American Idol!

It does make sense.

Exactly! A Dior suit was a big deal but appearing on American idol?

Couldn't it have been part of the deal - isn't Katy Perry a jusdge on American idol?
The palace must have been pretty desperate to agree

I dont advise anyone to seek
It out - cringeworthy doesnt cover it

I'm just surprised they didn't wear their Crowns, that would've got the Americans in a right tailspin.

I am going to remember this when other Royals in and out the family, start appearing here there and everywhere. Mike Tindall on I'm a Celebrity, Charles has done Antiques Roadshow and Repair shop... what else is in the pipeline? Somehow I don't think it'll be Mastermind... 😁

Sorry I've just seen that I've repeated what @MrsMaxDeWinter has already said

I still can't believe it hasn't been reported ? Did the BBC?

I'd imagine that's news?
I know the Windsors can censor material the BBC have - maybe not showing Charles and Camilla on American idol is part of that

Republic have started a campaign to have the new protest law repealed
Can we also change the law to allow MPS to debate the 'royals' ans attendant issues ?

That's another scandal - esp as the mirror has just used as part of their defence the fact that 'royal' offices were among their sources

I saw it. Took me a minute to believe my eyes. As you said, cringey doesn’t cover it.

Daily Express. Yes, it is serious and not a spoof. I wonder if Harry and others tackling MNG is popular with the public.

Oh that actually surprises me @Roussette I wouldn’t have thought that. I would have thought Kate would easily top and Harry last!

I did triple check it, because you can't believe everything you read and it is legit!
18,000 votes too.

The Express who published 44 bile filled ranty articles in 24 hours about the couple are obviously embarrased. They have an article headed "Prince Harry fans flock to Express poll to crown him Coronation favourite"
I think they are a bit bemused.

Funny. My express says penny mordaunt stole the show. Tend to agree. She had enormous presence

Wasn't it the daily express that harry said on Netflix was the only honest paper?