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JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 12:54

The anti-monarchy protests seem to be increasing. They are appearing regularly at events Charles attends. This one happened only yesterday.

twitter.com/i/status/1635304322052534274

The protests are still too small to make any major difference, but they are slowly growing. And importantly Elizabeth did not face these types of protests. I wonder if they will continue to grow.

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Howsimplywonderful · 14/03/2023 23:00

@Roussette

An Irish presidency requires elections every 7 years. the primary schools are all closed (to the horror of parents 😀) to accommodate, there are costs of running elections and costs of counting all the paper votes.

all the parties pick a candidate but anyone can run but won’t get costs refunding unless they manage a fixed percentage of the vote.

we could be stuck with Gerry Adams. He’s a murdering authoritarian asshole. Would you chose him over Prince Charles ?

Roussette · 14/03/2023 23:02

Howsimplywonderful · 14/03/2023 23:00

@Roussette

An Irish presidency requires elections every 7 years. the primary schools are all closed (to the horror of parents 😀) to accommodate, there are costs of running elections and costs of counting all the paper votes.

all the parties pick a candidate but anyone can run but won’t get costs refunding unless they manage a fixed percentage of the vote.

we could be stuck with Gerry Adams. He’s a murdering authoritarian asshole. Would you chose him over Prince Charles ?

I have already offered another option but it just gets ignored so I'm off to bed.

Night all

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 23:02

JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 22:53

@MarshaMelrose So we end up instead with a King who accepts millions in cash in a suitcase. And his brother who has been accused of sex crimes and whose mother paid out an alleged £12.5 million in a civil payout?

Well a king who accepts millions and passes them onto charity, yes.
Accused, alleged. We can believe, we don't know.

Howsimplywonderful · 14/03/2023 23:04

Ian Paisley and Martin McGuiness were Nobel prize winners and politicians. I wouldn’t have been mad on either being a constitutional president either

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JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 23:06

@MarshaMelrose Surprised you think it is fine to accept millions in cash in suitcases.
Yes alleged for Andrew as he has never faced court. We do know though he lied in national TV when asked about the allegations. We also know he was close friends with people who headed up a sex trafficking network.

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JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 23:07

@Roussette Marsha is ignoring you to post whataboutery. Good night.

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MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 23:17

Roussette · 14/03/2023 22:30

And FWIW on many threads before I've put forward options like a rotation of Laureates but no doubt that would be dismissed by you because you want complete answers to a hypothetical scenario.

Sorry, I didnt see this.

Six Nobel Prizes are awarded each year, one in each of the following categories: literature, physics, chemistry, peace, economics, and physiology & medicine.

I'm not going to ridicule it. It's an idea.

What's the likelihood they're going to be British, though? If there was one that was British, would you hang onto them for an indefinite term until the next winner? What if they didn't want to be a president?
I understand the idea of bringing different strengths to the position of HOS but there do seem to be questions to be answered about the system.

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 23:19

Sorry. 🙄 I have a lot of posts to answer and it dors take me a while to write and edit posts.

Serenster · 14/03/2023 23:19

Roussette · 14/03/2023 22:55

I talked of a rotation of Nobel laureates and you completely ignored it. They are rich in British talent, science technology medicine and far far more

I don’t think that’s a terribly practical idea though - firstly, there aren’t that many living British Nobel prize winners. And presumably they get a choice as to whether they want the role or not? They may have no interest whatsoever in such a public role. Or any of the necessary skills for the job. Plus we have no control over our pipeline of potential heads of state - what happens if the Prizes are won by a diverse group of non-Brits for a series of years?

it’s not the easiest task, coming up with a means to select and rotate appropriate candidates for a non-political role like this.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 23:21

He would have been forced into court if VG hadn't taken the money

No, sorry; I can see the logic of a lot of the points of view even if I don't share them, but not this. I'm honestly convinced there's absolutely no way at all they'd ever risk Andrew going into a witness box, especially when it's already been seen what happens when he's allowed to run his mouth off

Whatever it took - another few cases of Covid, alleged mental health issues, some other mystery illness, you name it - I'm certain something would be produced to stop it

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 23:28

JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 23:06

@MarshaMelrose Surprised you think it is fine to accept millions in cash in suitcases.
Yes alleged for Andrew as he has never faced court. We do know though he lied in national TV when asked about the allegations. We also know he was close friends with people who headed up a sex trafficking network.

If you go back through my posts, you'll see I have disagree with him doing that. However, even the newspaper reports said that he'd passed the money on and they weren't suggested he'd taken any.
I'm not defending Andrew. I've never defended him. But I don't like it when things are stated as truth when they're not. People say he settled with VG so he must be guilty. No, that's not true. It's common for cases to be settled because going to court is costly, an invasion of privacy and has uncertain outcomes. Did anyone see Johnny Depp winning?
They think the amount of the settlement equates to how heinous he was. It doesn't, but it's the reason why the figure £12m came up. Initially the papers reported £3m, then £7m, then £12m. I read a report this week that now says it was 'more than £12m'. It's just all speculation but when it's repeated on SM it becomes truth. I don't think thats right.

adrianmolesmole · 14/03/2023 23:31

I'm ignorant here and haven't RTFT - but, why do we need to replace them, when we already have a govt? How would a HOS/president work alongside our prime minister? Do we need two tiers? Can the money saved from abolishing the monarchy just go back into public services?

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 23:33

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 23:21

He would have been forced into court if VG hadn't taken the money

No, sorry; I can see the logic of a lot of the points of view even if I don't share them, but not this. I'm honestly convinced there's absolutely no way at all they'd ever risk Andrew going into a witness box, especially when it's already been seen what happens when he's allowed to run his mouth off

Whatever it took - another few cases of Covid, alleged mental health issues, some other mystery illness, you name it - I'm certain something would be produced to stop it

Going to court does not mean going into the witness box. But he would have to show up. He'd have to face her and listen to her. We could hear her evidence. And if he gave no testimony, then she'd probably win. She might, though, have her credibility knocked by his lawyers. Which is why she wanted to settle too.

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 23:38

adrianmolesmole · 14/03/2023 23:31

I'm ignorant here and haven't RTFT - but, why do we need to replace them, when we already have a govt? How would a HOS/president work alongside our prime minister? Do we need two tiers? Can the money saved from abolishing the monarchy just go back into public services?

Because the head of state does lots of other non political stuff. They meet other HOSs and dignitaries and they entertain them. They hold public celebrations like garden parties to thank members of public for the work they've done. They go out and about to meet the public. Basically everything the RF do. And a PM already has full days, they couldn't take on all that as well.

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JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 23:44

In some countries it is combined. Meeting Heads of State has to happen. A lot of what the Royal Family do is unnecessary though.
Like garden parties. Nice to have, but the vast majority of volunteers will get nowhere near one.

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JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 23:46

@MarshaMelrose I wasn't sure if Andrew was guilty. But then I watched his interview where he told a load of obvious lies. So I do now believe he is 100% guilty.

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MarshaMelrose · 15/03/2023 00:16

JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 23:46

@MarshaMelrose I wasn't sure if Andrew was guilty. But then I watched his interview where he told a load of obvious lies. So I do now believe he is 100% guilty.

That's fair enough. You have a right to your opinion. My problem comes when opinions are stated as facts.

SammyScrounge · 15/03/2023 00:33

adrianmolesmole · 14/03/2023 14:46

It's Charles and Camilla's own fault if there are protests. No one's forgotten Diana. You reap what you sow.

I would like to forget her but some people just Won't let her lie in peace.
Charles and Diana made a bad marriage which brought misery to them both..Individually neither was a horrid person; together they brought out the worst in each other. I'm pleased that Charles and Camilla are happy together.

Aganta · 15/03/2023 00:46

We should definitely be a republic but I'll take a couple of days off work in the meantime for the sake of the prating inbred fools.

Hawkins003 · 15/03/2023 01:53

JuliesBicycle · 14/03/2023 22:51

@MarshaMelrose so if we have another system does that mean we won't get someone who accepts millions in cash in suitcases?

It will be sweetners in otherways

BadgerB · 15/03/2023 06:22

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 19:12
If s/he has no power, is just a figurehead, it really doesn't matter
If this was true I might even become a monarchist myself, but sadly it's not
Just to pick one example among far too many ... Monarch's Consent

Not sure I quite see what you're getting at here. Consent to - what? Laws made by the Govt. of the day? Surely that is automatic? When has it ever been refused? And why would an elected person be better?
The only other "consent" that comes to mind is the consent needed to the marriage choices of heirs to the throne. That's a family problem!

BadgerB · 15/03/2023 06:37

MarshaMelrose · Yesterday 22:57
But I'd say, an ex-politician is more likely to keep a suitcase of cash than a multi-millionaire who doesn't need the money.

This suitcase/carrier bag of cash keeps coming up as a reason not to have a monarchy.
There is no suggestion that Charles kept any of it.

Elected people are always honest, of course.....!

Inkanta · 15/03/2023 06:47

SammyScrounge · 15/03/2023 00:33

I would like to forget her but some people just Won't let her lie in peace.
Charles and Diana made a bad marriage which brought misery to them both..Individually neither was a horrid person; together they brought out the worst in each other. I'm pleased that Charles and Camilla are happy together.

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I see Charles as the one accountable for that marriage getting off to a bad start. He didn't love her. Bad decision on his part. He wasn't forced to marry her.

PatientZorro · 15/03/2023 07:22

JoonT · 14/03/2023 18:09

I'm a republican, yet I'm also fairly patriotic. But I'm patriotic despite the royals, not because of them. Frankly, they embarrass me. I'm dreading the coronation. The sight of Charles (who I like btw) sitting in that ridiculous gold carriage with those prats dressed like characters out of a Disney cartoon. Oh, god, it's SO humiliating.

However, I'm proud to be from the island that produced Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake, Defoe, Jane Austen, Keats, Wordsworth, Byron, Shelley, Coleridge, Dickens, the Brontes, George Eliot, Ruskin, Pater, Browning, Tennyson, H. G. Wells, George Orwell, Tolkien, Thomas Hardy, Virginia Woolf, not to mention Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, David Hume, Adam Smith, John Locke. This was the island in which DNA was discovered, where the atom was first understood, where modern liberal democracy was born. Those are the things we should be proud of – our writers and scientists and philosophers. Not an ignorant, vulgar little oaf like Prince Harry. It often takes an outsider like Bill Bryson to point this out.

Brilliant post JoonT. This is exactly how I feel, including finding the whole circus embarrassing.

I also think the vocal protesters are just the tip of the iceberg - so many people unhappy with Charles as king and the grubby soap opera of their lives. This anti-monarchy sentiment is only going to grow now the Queen has gone. Charles had better press the accelerator on slimming down on the scroungers…

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 15/03/2023 07:51

I felt loyalty to the kate Queen, despite her troublesome family, she didn't put a foot wrong.

However Chas and Cam openly had an affair before during and after Chas marriage to Di. And he's now the head of the Church of England! Hypocrite of the full order.

I have no respect for him. I'd gladly see a Republic.