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JuliesBicycle · 2023-03-14T12:54:41+00:00

The anti-monarchy protests seem to be increasing. They are appearing regularly at events Charles attends. This one happened only yesterday. https://twitter.com/i/status/1635304322052534274 The protests are still too small to make any major difference, but they are slowly growing. And importantly Elizabeth did not face these types of protests. I wonder if they will continue to grow.

Roussette · 14/03/2023 19:09

I've said it a few times on these threads. I think it should be pay-per-view with money going to good causes.
Those that want to watch it for hours and hours can... and those that don't want to, don't have to, but can donate if they so wish.

PillBoxes · 14/03/2023 19:11

Where's Gary Lineker when you need him. C'mon Gary you tell em.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:12

If s/he has no power, is just a figurehead, it really doesn't matter

If this was true I might even become a monarchist myself, but sadly it's not

Just to pick one example among far too many ... Monarch's Consent

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:16

I believe the idea of anyone "compelling" Andrew is effectively a theory though; certainly the principle exists in law, but as said, just how high are the chances that he'd have actually been compelled?

I dont really understand this theory that Andrew has effectively evaded the FBI. The FBI have loads of evidence from the women involved and what was used at Maxwell's trial. There are tons of allegations against other people, much more serious than against Andrew. But for some reason Andrew is the one being put forward as the most heinous and the one who has had pulled strings to escape prosecution. So exactly who of all these men has the FBI prosecuted? None. Who has been charged? None. Who has even been interviewed? Gates? Clinton? Er, no. Do you think their lawyers are saying, yeah go do a voluntary interview?

Why are the FBI spending time on pursuing a man in a different country when they're not even pursuing men, with much more serious allegations against them, in the same country they're in?

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:17

Roussette · 14/03/2023 19:06

I wish it was just May 6th. It isn't.

It's endless news items about all sorts to do with it... and it's going to build up and difficult to avoid. We've had the carriage, the special oil, the music, who is playing the concert, who isn't playing, crowns and who's wearing what, on and on.

Exciting!! But no silk stockings and buckles. 😔

Roussette · 14/03/2023 19:19

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:17

Exciting!! But no silk stockings and buckles. 😔

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He's given up on the silk breeches yes! bet he'd like to wear them really

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:23

Of course he would, @Roussette . I've seen him in a kilt and he's got very good legs. Oh, a kilt. Now that would be very nice. A kilt, a crown.and a golden coach. 💕

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:23

Why are the FBI spending time on pursuing a man in a different country when they're not even pursuing men, with much more serious allegations against them, in the same country they're in?

I'll be clear that this is only an opinion, but since most of those mentioned have even more money than Andrew - and certainly more influence in the US - they may also have plenty of clout available

And if that is the case I'd consider it no more defensible than the monarchy's clout over us

BadgerB · 14/03/2023 19:23

MarshaMelrose · Today 19:17
Exciting!! But no silk stockings and buckles. 😔

Ah no! How sad. Hardly worth watching then.... A 20something Queen made a much better show than a 70somthing King will

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:27

Oh, a kilt. Now that would be very nice

What, a skirt??!!

I'll get me coat ... but first can I ask what about the ermine?

Jennybeans401 · 14/03/2023 19:30

I'm not a fan of Charles and Camilla but don't feel so opposed to Charles as King. I feel the survival of the monarchy is down to William, he is their best chance.

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:27

Oh, a kilt. Now that would be very nice

What, a skirt??!!

I'll get me coat ... but first can I ask what about the ermine?

Oh, I'm very clear on this. The ermine has to be fake. It's a great disappointment to me that I feel sure it will be real, with the RF so nastily dedicated to blood sports. 😔 Can't deny, it'll be a blot on the day.

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:45

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:23

Why are the FBI spending time on pursuing a man in a different country when they're not even pursuing men, with much more serious allegations against them, in the same country they're in?

I'll be clear that this is only an opinion, but since most of those mentioned have even more money than Andrew - and certainly more influence in the US - they may also have plenty of clout available

And if that is the case I'd consider it no more defensible than the monarchy's clout over us

Or...maybe they don't have the evidence. Look at Alan Dershowitz.

Or maybe they dont have the evidence yet.

We just dont know.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:49

It's a great disappointment to me that I feel sure it will be real, with the RF so nastily dedicated to blood sports

Though it doesn't bother me personally (I wear vintage fur) I very much respect that, Marsha ... maybe just hope they do a pass on that bit?

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 19:54

I hope they do, @puzzled. I have just read that they're not using new ermine but it's been cold stored between usages so that's something, I guess.

LaMarschallin · 14/03/2023 19:56

LittleFingerStrength · 14/03/2023 13:14

I don't want a Republic.

I don't have much respect for Charles and Camilla.

They are a pair of cheats, so religious and environmental hypocrites.

I don't like Harry, everything we all suffer due to him - loss of trade and increased security issues - is as a direct result of their selfishness.

So, you've got little respect for Charles and Camilla and think Harry is responsible for everything we all suffer (he's not my favourite person in the world either, but I do think that's a bit of a stretch)...

Why don't you want a Republic?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2023 19:58

Or ... maybe they don't have the evidence. Look at Alan Dershowitz
Or maybe they dont have the evidence yet
We just dont know

Agree with all this too, especially the point that we simply don't know, but then that's the reason I've never chosen to call Andrew a rapist, paedophile and all the rest

For me it's enough that he's enabled a known and convicted paedophile - though TBF there's plenty of other disgusting behaviour to add to the tally as well

vera99 · 14/03/2023 20:11

JoonT · 14/03/2023 18:09

I'm a republican, yet I'm also fairly patriotic. But I'm patriotic despite the royals, not because of them. Frankly, they embarrass me. I'm dreading the coronation. The sight of Charles (who I like btw) sitting in that ridiculous gold carriage with those prats dressed like characters out of a Disney cartoon. Oh, god, it's SO humiliating.

However, I'm proud to be from the island that produced Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake, Defoe, Jane Austen, Keats, Wordsworth, Byron, Shelley, Coleridge, Dickens, the Brontes, George Eliot, Ruskin, Pater, Browning, Tennyson, H. G. Wells, George Orwell, Tolkien, Thomas Hardy, Virginia Woolf, not to mention Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, David Hume, Adam Smith, John Locke. This was the island in which DNA was discovered, where the atom was first understood, where modern liberal democracy was born. Those are the things we should be proud of – our writers and scientists and philosophers. Not an ignorant, vulgar little oaf like Prince Harry. It often takes an outsider like Bill Bryson to point this out.

Very well said and a lot of the Royalist push back is along the lines well it could be worse we could have President Trump or Boris so let's stick with what we’ve got. The problem with that is it abandons hope for something better and for someone who can rise above petty party politics and speak for the nation and for the nation that elected them to the role and a nation that can remove them as well. The Irish President seems to be exemplary at it and we don't need to care about his family or his credentials for doing the job.

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 20:22

someone who can rise above petty party politics and speak for the nation and for the nation that elected them to the role and a nation that can remove them as well. The Irish President seems to be exemplary at it and we don't need to care about his family or his credentials for doing the job.

Why do we want more politicians?

PillBoxes · 14/03/2023 20:28

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 20:22

someone who can rise above petty party politics and speak for the nation and for the nation that elected them to the role and a nation that can remove them as well. The Irish President seems to be exemplary at it and we don't need to care about his family or his credentials for doing the job.

Why do we want more politicians?

Because 1. if the constitution worked well, whoever was President would not have any political power - as in Ireland, and 2. the President would be elected, thus allowing a democratic choice, which we don't have and never will have with a constitutional monarchy, and 3. The HOS/President does not have to be a politician.

adrianmolesmole · 14/03/2023 20:32

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 14/03/2023 16:34

So have they not forgotten Diana's affairs also?

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Unfortunately Diana's no longer here. We have two adulterers who don't deserve the throne. They're awful.

vera99 · 14/03/2023 20:38

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 20:22

someone who can rise above petty party politics and speak for the nation and for the nation that elected them to the role and a nation that can remove them as well. The Irish President seems to be exemplary at it and we don't need to care about his family or his credentials for doing the job.

Why do we want more politicians?

This all politicians are rubbish, so we don't need any more trope is a failing of our state and the citizenry to be more active and informed. Ireland seems very happy after kicking out the British monarch as head of state all those years ago. And before the saintly President Higgins it was the 2 Marys all elected and all graciously stood down at the end of their terms and are assessed on their performance in the role not what stupid archaic titles they may have or what clothes they wear or even that their marriage subsist or not, and certainly not their children.

BadgerB · 14/03/2023 20:45

adrianmolesmole · Today 20:32
We have two adulterers who don't deserve the throne. They're awful.

That's the thing about an hereditary monarchy - they don't have to deserve it, or even want it. It just lands on the next one. Saves a lot of hassle

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 20:52

PillBoxes · 14/03/2023 20:28

Because 1. if the constitution worked well, whoever was President would not have any political power - as in Ireland, and 2. the President would be elected, thus allowing a democratic choice, which we don't have and never will have with a constitutional monarchy, and 3. The HOS/President does not have to be a politician.

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If they've no power, might as, well be a king.

As I understand it, out of 9 elections, 6 times only one person stood so they were automatically elected. No choice for the people there. And who selects the candidates? Why yes, that would be politicians. So they can just select one candidate and they get voted in. Where is your people's democracy there?

Doesn't have to be but out of the 9 presidents Ireland has had, 8 were. Mind you that makes sense when it's politicians choosing them.

The one exception was a lawyer. 🙄 Who actually had been appointed to Chief justice by...a politician.

I'm happy for Ireland being content with this, but is this really an improvement on the UKs present system?

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 20:57

MarshaMelrose · 14/03/2023 20:52

If they've no power, might as, well be a king.

As I understand it, out of 9 elections, 6 times only one person stood so they were automatically elected. No choice for the people there. And who selects the candidates? Why yes, that would be politicians. So they can just select one candidate and they get voted in. Where is your people's democracy there?

Doesn't have to be but out of the 9 presidents Ireland has had, 8 were. Mind you that makes sense when it's politicians choosing them.

The one exception was a lawyer. 🙄 Who actually had been appointed to Chief justice by...a politician.

I'm happy for Ireland being content with this, but is this really an improvement on the UKs present system?

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Hmmm, I might just have to correct this. It's not 6 presidents that we're elected unopposed, but 6 terms.