How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

[purpledalmation]

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

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I guess as the grand-daughter of the king, they wanted to use her title. It’s all a bit meaningless. I’m more bothered about that gopping name - Lilibet. It’s awful!

Princess Lilibet sounds like the name of a little princess in a story book and is an awful name for a grown up. Nothing wrong with the name Archie as such but that doesn’t sound much better once the title ‘Prince’ is added.

The King's grandchildren get a title and I can't get worked up about that.
Not going to affect me one iota so I'll just get on with my day.

Where has this stemmed from? Are they using that title? I'd say it's hypocritical and tone-deaf.

Will camilla's kids and grandkids be getting titles? That will piss me off, if so.

By giving the children titles now it removes the vitriol they would face if they chose them for themselves when they reach adulthood.

Imagine if Lady Louise had declared recently that she now wanted to be known as Princess Louise. Archie and Lili would have that in multiples.

I can see their point of view.

My main concern is fairness. Lili and Archie have a right to Prince and Princess if that is their birthright and why should they be denied that as blood members of the RF, I don't like to see them being treated differently. H&M can make their own choices with regard to their own life. The RF shouldn't be punitive towards the little ones, if that's what they're doing. (Though I understand H and C have been in negotiations about it anyway.)

But yeah, given the choice, get rid if the lot of 'em!

i understand that in a way they want to protect their future if they ever want to relocate to the U.K., it’s up to them

it could be that they believe titles are important .

it’s fine , nothing wrong with that ,

But when Anderson Cooper asked Harry why not give up titles , he got really mad , and said it wouldn’t make any difference if they had titles or not,
it suited their narrative at that time to stay quiet and keep on portraying a victimised and discriminated narrative , Harry could have said something but chose not to in order to sell his books ,
not only is this hypocritical of them but so disingenuous too,

As was stated in another thread I think, the titles of Prince and Princess are courtesy titles and do not elevate them above the rank of commoner, unlike the Earl of Dumbarton title that they didn’t
like because it had the word “dumb” in it allegedly. So it would seem
that they are only using Prince and Princess because they sound Royal 🤷‍♀️

This republican is squaring it by not giving a shit about any of them.

The RF shouldn't be punitive towards the little ones, if that's what they're doing.

There is absolutely no evidence that the RF are being punitive towards the kids. H&M's children would always have been allowed to use the titles as soon as Charles became king. The RF have done nothing to interfere with that at all. Whether the kids were styled as "prince" and "princess" was entirely their parents' choice, and other children of monarchs (Anne and Edward) chose not to use the kids titles because they wanted it to be their choice when they grow up. AFAIK none of their children chose to do so.

As for the OP, I may be barking up the wrong tree, but I have long suspected that some of those on here who declare themselves to be republicans , are in fact supporters of the Sussexes who use their proclaimed republican sentiment as an excuse for attacks on the rest of the RF 😂

i understand that in a way they want to protect their future if they ever want to relocate to the U.K., it’s up to them

it could be that they believe titles are important .

it’s fine , nothing wrong with that

Nothing wrong with it, I guess. But they seem to have had a rather sharp reversal of opinion.

You may be onto something there @smilesy !

I think that after an interval, but before Prince George is 18, we will see new LP that do not alter the royal styles of those already entitled to them, but going forward they will be only for the DCG of a monarch in the direct line. So George's hypothetical future progeny, not Charlotte's and Louis' as well (separately they could set a pattern that both daughters and sons get a peerage on marriage and DC take titles based on those)

If George had no DC, then Charlotte's hypothetical DC and DGC change to the royal styles on her succession.

As for the OP, I may be barking up the wrong tree, but I have long suspected that some of those on here who declare themselves to be republicans , are in fact supporters of the Sussexes who use their proclaimed republican sentiment as an excuse for attacks on the rest of the RF

Oh yes, I think there are many motivations. I think some Republicans just consider having a monarchy a ridiculous old fashioned unfair idea whereas others aren't even in the UK and just want to create instability in the UK by abolishing the monarchy!

@purpledalmation

I am not a Royalist but I think it is a good thing that the titles issue has been settled.

For one reason and one reason only: the nonsense conspiracy claims about the children.

Meghan used a surrogate.
No, Meghan did not use a surrogate, she used dolls.
No, they are not dolls, they are borrowed children.

This move shuts all this down.

You would have to be pretty wacko to believe that the Royal Family and entire British media are complicit in recognising titles for children that don't exist or whose birth was in any way fraudulent.

So if this buys them a bit of peace from nut jobs, good for them.

We literally couldn't give fewer fucks if we tried.

They never wanted to leave did they? They wanted all the perks with none if the work with 'one foot in and one foot out'.

Actually they didn't want to leave, Harry wanted to protect Meghan's mental health. The half in option was because they wanted to continue working for the Queen but also protect themselves, they received far worse treatment than other family members and I don't blame them for wanting that. Rather naive of Harry tbh, but that was the reasoning.

Apart from those who actually still like the pair of clowns 🤡
To be honest it just stinks of jealousy, stepping back in order to get what they want (fancy glitz, making money out of the RF name no actual boring work like the rest of the RF do) but they can't! They vacuum up everything they can get though that may make them a buck or two

Hasn’t it emerged that they were planning to leave before they were even married, though? They were allegedly talking to Netflix before then 🤷‍♀️

The question posed in the title of this thread reminds me of a recent article in The Guardian by Arwa Mahdawi in which she writes:-

As a staunch anti-royalist I was sympathetic to the couple to begin with – my enemy’s enemy is my friend and all that – but the constant oversharing has jumped the shark. Particularly since it becomes more obvious by the day that their grievances are less to do with systemic inequality and more to do with feeling they didn’t get a big enough slice of the born-with-privilege pie. I mean, come on, you can’t go around complaining about how backwards the royals are while insisting that we plebs refer to you as Duke and Duchess.

I'm a republican because quite clearly it's just about money for them. They aren't content being comfortable they have to have vast wealth, their lifestyle is trying to match the super rich. The only way they can make vast amounts of money is by trading on the royal connection they have no other way.

Meghan has actually played a blinder - if money and fame was her true objective - multi multi millionaire and global notoriety. Set for life financially. How long til the drug addled mentally ailing husband becomes surplus to requirements

Harry isn't that rich in the scheme of things. And he has no obvious means of income other than slagging off his family, for which he will surely run out of material soon.

No but I don’t think she will be back in a rented apartment any time soon