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How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 10:15

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

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Novella4 · 09/03/2023 11:53

And OBE - British Empire ??? Gods sake that needs looked at

Samcro · 09/03/2023 11:54

Bingpt · 09/03/2023 10:53

I'd view it in the same light as Katie Price calling her daughter Princess. Not much different, trying to be cutesy. It's just a name. If they are no longer working as royals, they can do what they like anyway can't they? They didn't need approval from her father-in-law to change her name.
What happens next? This is where they try to get all the benefits of being "royal" but without the responsibilities.
Will be interesting to watch over the next few years.

she is not called princess. I don't get why people say that. her title is Princess, you know like miss.

nilsoften · 09/03/2023 11:56

CurlewKate · 09/03/2023 11:36

I don't need to "reconcile" it. Two entirely separate issues. And for the avoidance of doubt, in the extremely unlikely event of me being offered an honour, I would refuse it.

My dad, god rest his soul was a lovely man and at work he would opine about the injustice of the honour system and how they went to the wrong people. He worked at the DHSS in National Insurance and had served in the army in WW2. Some of his mates in the office for a laugh after he had done 35 years service forged a letter purporting to come from No 10 asking him in confidence that he had been nominated for a BEM (British Empire Medal), it was the lowest gong which I now think has gone. The letter gave him a week to consider his response.

He told his office mates and came home and asked my mum what he should do as he had years long reputation at railing at the system. After much umming and arrhing and having a meeting with his boss (who was in on the joke) he decided he would accept it as he was Treasurer of the Branch Sports Club, and it would be an honour for them not himself.

It was only when he announced to everybody his decision and his reasons that they let slip it was all an elaborate joke. He was crestfallen apparently, but quickly I believe came to see the humour and grace with which it was done. He was a very popular fella in the office, after all.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/03/2023 12:03

The list of people who rejected honours makes good reading

It's by no means complete though Novella; certainly on Wiki it includes only those the woider public may have heard of

defi · 09/03/2023 12:04

Like all the other royals they're capitalising on it. Should do like the French and be done with all of them

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:10

nilsoften · 09/03/2023 10:22

We celebrate the birth of a healthy baby girl to a couple who are deeply in love, as we would for anybody else, without prejudice, if asked.

That's hardly answering the question regarding the royal titles You don't regard this as hypocrisy?

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Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/03/2023 12:13

Oh I support having a RF and still think the whole honours system should go, why would anyone want an 'honour' that is so discredited by some of the individuals who have been given awards. And I'd get rid of the HoL, that is the real scandal in Britain, unelected but with actual power.

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:15

The point is, these children are not 'choosing' these titles. Their parents are using them. The titles can be used by the children as their choice any time in their lifetime. It doesn't need to be given now. There are only 2 people making this choice and they aren't under 5

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Flossflower · 09/03/2023 12:21

Why Wouk republicans support H and M. H and M still feel they are superior to commoners.

nilsoften · 09/03/2023 12:23

purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:10

That's hardly answering the question regarding the royal titles You don't regard this as hypocrisy?

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No, in that it would appear that Harry is a Royalist and in the terms of his engagement is an actual living son of the actual King, so by that logic it is his birthright unless the King wishes to revoke that privilege. He would have appeared to attack his treatment at the hands of some within it, not the institution itself.

EsmaCannonball · 09/03/2023 12:25

I'm a republican and not a Harry and Meghan supporter. It's fascinating to watch the pure grift of two people who've hitched their brand to every fashionable social justice cause going but who also have no problem claiming exclusive hereditary titles as a 'birthright.' They are shameless, banking on a devoted following too partisan to question their contradictions, and should stick to entertaining us with stories of dog bowls and todgers and TK Maxx.

nilsoften · 09/03/2023 12:27

Flossflower · 09/03/2023 12:21

Why Wouk republicans support H and M. H and M still feel they are superior to commoners.

I can't speak for everyone, but they are world-famous and act as a lightening rod for debate about the institution. Such as the debates going on here. I've said it before, but if Royalists ignored them they would both starve them of publicity and suppress debate around the validity of the institution which such debate can inspire.

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:29

@nilsoften There is no evidence whatsoever apart from Harry s paranoid ramblings that Charles chose camilla over harry. However harry is now making it a choice between them which was never the case
@thedogsmum Spot on
@nonheme Hypocrisy maybe?
@milti If Harry had been born fist we'd be a republic lol
@defi I hope that doesn't involve a guillotine

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:30

EsmaCannonball · 09/03/2023 12:25

I'm a republican and not a Harry and Meghan supporter. It's fascinating to watch the pure grift of two people who've hitched their brand to every fashionable social justice cause going but who also have no problem claiming exclusive hereditary titles as a 'birthright.' They are shameless, banking on a devoted following too partisan to question their contradictions, and should stick to entertaining us with stories of dog bowls and todgers and TK Maxx.

So true.

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IcedPurple · 09/03/2023 12:30

nilsoften · 09/03/2023 12:23

No, in that it would appear that Harry is a Royalist and in the terms of his engagement is an actual living son of the actual King, so by that logic it is his birthright unless the King wishes to revoke that privilege. He would have appeared to attack his treatment at the hands of some within it, not the institution itself.

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That's a turn about and a half!

It seemed to me in the Oprah interview they very much attacked the 'institution', and have been doing so on a regular basis ever since. I remember their supporters saying that they had no problem with the queen, just the 'institution'. Which made no sense, of course, as the monarch is the institution. But then I've long since given up on expecting sense from Harry or his 'republican supporters'.

Harry absolutely loves the monarchy and the status he derives from it. Burdening his children with royal titles is just the latest proof of that. His only problem is that he will never be King.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/03/2023 12:30

Why Wouk republicans support H and M.

I assume it's because of that old saying 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' or a case of supporting the supposed underdog no matter how bad they're behaving. I think it's mad but I've (mostly) given up trying to work it out.

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:32

@nilsoften Being a focus for debate when they are almost universally condemned as hypocrites and liars is hardly a good marketing brand.

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purpledalmation · 09/03/2023 12:34

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/03/2023 12:30

Why Wouk republicans support H and M.

I assume it's because of that old saying 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' or a case of supporting the supposed underdog no matter how bad they're behaving. I think it's mad but I've (mostly) given up trying to work it out.

I'm with you there. I just can't get my head around them. They have no moral compass at all and couldn't read a room if the words were painted ten feet high on the walls

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IcedPurple · 09/03/2023 12:35

nilsoften · 09/03/2023 12:27

I can't speak for everyone, but they are world-famous and act as a lightening rod for debate about the institution. Such as the debates going on here. I've said it before, but if Royalists ignored them they would both starve them of publicity and suppress debate around the validity of the institution which such debate can inspire.

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But they don't inspire debate about the monarchy.

They inspire tawdry gossip and sniggering about bechilled todgers and arses in dog bowls. They contribute nothing to serious debate about the monarchy. They are literally a joke, even among Americans who we were told so admired them. If they had genuinely rejected royalty and all its trappings, and laid out principled objections to the monarchy, then they might have formed part of a constructive debate. But they are spoiled brats acting out of a fit of pique. And nobody other than their dwindling bunch of fans likes that.

Teeheeeheee · 09/03/2023 12:36

Wish there was an edit button.

As per my post: 'Reminds me of those who feel the same way about the RF, the British Empire even and are warriors on Twitter...'

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Barannca · 09/03/2023 12:36

It doesn't bother me one way or another. There is much more happening in the world to get upset about.

mummabubs · 09/03/2023 12:39

My position is that whether I agree with the monarchy or not (I don't), those are their titles to use should they choose. It's hardly a shocker. H&M have clearly said they won't be using the titles colloquially, but wanted to have the set up so that their children to have the choice themselves when they're older as to whether to use it. They're giving their children some control and power in recognition of how miserable Harry seems to have been for feeling powerless for much of his life. I admire that decision as a parent. It's recognising that your own children might have a different perspective than your own and supporting them to find their own position.

Teeheeeheee · 09/03/2023 12:40

Wish I could say I think their decision was that selfless. But we all have opinions and can't exactly know what they really think.

IcedPurple · 09/03/2023 12:42

mummabubs · 09/03/2023 12:39

My position is that whether I agree with the monarchy or not (I don't), those are their titles to use should they choose. It's hardly a shocker. H&M have clearly said they won't be using the titles colloquially, but wanted to have the set up so that their children to have the choice themselves when they're older as to whether to use it. They're giving their children some control and power in recognition of how miserable Harry seems to have been for feeling powerless for much of his life. I admire that decision as a parent. It's recognising that your own children might have a different perspective than your own and supporting them to find their own position.

But assuming their 'birthright' is not revoked, the 'set up' will still be there whether or not the children use the titles now. Just as it is for the Wessex children.

Whitney168 · 09/03/2023 12:49

Gross hypocrisy aside, I mostly think that they obviously thought they were going to have the courage of their convictions and refuse titles when the children were born, or they wouldn't have given them names that sound so ridiculous with the titles.