How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

[purpledalmation]

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

@feellikeanalien

It is not inevitable that removing the Windsors from the seat of democracy would be disruptive. The process has already started with the reform of the House of Lords . I imagine it will be slow distancing and diminution re the Winsdors . The ridiculous fact that only the UK monarchy still has a coronation for example - if it is still an issue , William will not have a coronation. With any luck he won't be anywhere near democratic institutions either

@BadgerB
Yet again I suggest you to read up on some facts re costs of 'royals'. The figure royalists like to quote is the 25% of crown ( ie state) land that the Winsdors claw back for themselves.
What we don't know, because the Windsors made sure they were not subject to the freedom of information act , is how many millions their security costs .
We know that every one of their multiple palaces is guarded round the clock , regardless of whether they are occupied . Plus of course the cost of their unpaid taxes .
Estimates put the cost of 'royals ' at 350 000 000 each year

A figurehead will cost no where near that . Btw we don't actually need at figurehead - no law says you must . Eg whoever is speaker could open parliament.
Then there is of course the heart of the matter - the principle.
What price democracy?

After the Brexit shitshow I’ve no desire to force another change.

Oh and @BadgerB - really ? Tradition is your ( extremely weak) argument for keeping the Windsors ??
'Tradition' of course includes such things as legal wife beating , putting children up chimneys, workhouses ? Oh you mean you want to pick and choose traditions ?
Tradition such as the queen photographed going to church with Andrew beside her - 2 fingers up to his victims .
That sort of 'Windsors above the law ' good old tradition ?

Ridiculous

Putting children up chimneys is tradition?? Wtf?😂😂😂

Keep your king

My main wishes are ; get the Windsors away from democracy ; no more public money ; subject to the law of the land like the rest of us

They can parade up and down the mall to their hearts content - as long as they pay for it all

I agree EdithWeston. When I first heard it, it sounded a bit like Princess Buttercup but we will get used to it.

Drawing attention to the cynicism that H&M are really all about. Self serving, vile & monetising their own childrens links to RF, after having claimed they were racist, exclusionary and abusive. They need to shut up now.

It's quite extraordinary, isn't it, @NurseCranesRolodex
They just carry on with impunity.

@Morestrangethings - I thought the same and "Princess Buttercup" is a good comparison. Very twee. I don't know why they didn't call her Elizabeth or Lily, but their daughter, their choice.

Novella4 · Today 08:25
really ? Tradition is your ( extremely weak) argument for keeping the Windsors ??
'Tradition' of course includes such things as legal wife beating , putting children up chimneys, workhouses ? Oh you mean you want to pick and choose traditions ?
They are not "traditions", they antiquated laws we have outgrown, thankfully. You probably feel that you have also outgrown "royalty"? But you are still a minority. Lots of people enjoy the "bling".

Tradition such as the queen photographed going to church with Andrew beside her - 2 fingers up to his victims .
Again, Andrew may be a very unpleasant man, but that doesn't preclude him going to church with his mother. If he was in prison (where maybe he ought to be) he would still be allowed to attend church. He wouldn't be photographed because the Queen wouldn't be with him.

Novella4 · Today 08:17
Yet again I suggest you to read up on some facts re costs of 'royals'. The figure royalists like to quote is the 25% of crown ( ie state) land that the Winsdors claw back for themselves.

I have read up on both sides of the "which is cheaper/better value" argument. Like you, I have no idea which is more accurate.
Can only assume there's not much in it.
Accusing people who don't agree with you of ignorance is not good argument

Self serving, vile & monetising their own childrens links to RF, after having claimed they were racist, exclusionary and abusive.

I can see how their behaviours can be interpreted as such.

Drawing attention to the cynicism that H&M are really all about. Self serving, vile & monetising their own childrens links to RF, after having claimed they were racist, exclusionary and abusive. They need to shut up now.

On Netflix Meghan says she doesn't want her children to have titles because she doesnt want them to carry the burden of these hereditary titles, with all their links to colonialism and so on. Which is a clear indication they would have the opportunity to take on titles if they chose to do so when they were adults. In the same way Edwards children dont use prince and princess. She also said on Oprah that archie might not get a title if his skin is too dark. Clearly it isn't so the couple decided to take advantage of Charles' dithering and self award before the LP could be altered.

At the time she said she didn't want titles the couple were riding high on a wave of Netflix idolatory and believed the kids didn't need to be monetised because their parents were raking in millions. Now they are in abject brand failure and haven't yet got a strategy, except to monetise Harry's clear mental instability on a worldwide stage, so the kids are now their meal ticket. Think of all the centre spreads in People magazine!

As I say, hypocrisy on a grand scale

On Netflix Meghan says she doesn't want her children to have titles because she doesnt want them to carry the burden of these hereditary titles, with all their links to colonialism and so on.

That is NOT true. She said no such thing. She has said enough that you can criticise, so why make stuff up??

The only thing she said about titles was on Oprah, where she said there were conversations about changing the convention that would have Ade Archie a prince on the accession "Harry's Dad", her actual words.

I'm all for a bit of tradition. I think what I was trying to say was that people getting agitated about who has what title doesn't really seem to have any relevance in today's world.

It would be unlikely that any new country would create a RF model today and what I was trying to express, perhaps not very well, was the fact that H&M going on about titles being their child's birthright seems to jar with the modern world.

I think the death of the Queen has made people question the monarchy perhaps more than they used to and all the H&M debacle has turned it into a bit of a soap opera. However if you look back it has always really been the case, Princess Margaret, Edward and Mrs Simpson. I think the difference may be that we have 24 hour news and social media so it is more in your face. Also people have become less deferential to royalty which is only a good thing.

As I said I have no great desire to see the UK become a republic and my conversion to republicanism may have been fired up by the lateness of the hour and the rather delicious G&T I had just finished.😀

@MrsMaxDeWinter She does say precisely that. I watched the Netflix series. 6 hours of BS talking about the burden of titles and its affect on children. I refuse to wade through hours of crap just so I can find the segment.

@MrsMaxDeWinter I won't respond to anything further you put as you seem to enjoy this verbal tennis game.

There is no 6 hours of talking about the burden of titles and their effect on children in the documentary.

There isn't even a "segment" where this is discussed by Meghan. You think the media would not have seized on it, particularly in this last week?

But perhaps you have spent so much time obsessing about Meghan that you are now hallucinating things that simply did not happen.

Hope you finally enjoyed your birthday yesterday @purpledalmation ? And the cake was scrumptious 😋.

I had a lot of sympathy with Meghan and Harry, and would have described myself as an H and M supporter. This decision has completely changed that, it is so hypocritical, and I have no time for them now (I’m sure they’ll be devastated!)

I didn't!!! we were all hoping to meet up at our venue but the snow stopped it. Rescheduled for Monday, thank you. I did get a little tiddly though LOL!!

I did eat half the cake too, but have bought a whole load more.

I don't think shame, or self awareness is in their vocabulary, so its all over their heads.

@purpledalmation Happy belated birthday to you. Hope you had a happy and happily Meghan-free day and are now refreshed enough to come back to the fray😂

Oh @purpledalmation , that's a bit crap! , glad cake didn't disappoint ( cake never lets us down!) , I was a bit tiddly myself yesterday evening and it wasn't my birthday! , never try a new red while cooking steak on an empty stomach and talking to your sister on the phone! .
Still you have Monday to look forward to , that's something.
🎂🍰🧁🥮