How do republicans who support H&M feel about 'princess' lillibet

[purpledalmation]

I mean how do you reconcile the, to me, gross hypocrisy of saying you want to leave the royal family to pursue your own projects and for privacy and would give up their royal titles.

Their own projects so far consist of trashing the royal family and making money from it, while clinging to their royal titles.

Privacy consists of reality tv shows, public therapy sessions and a book tour.

They touted their children's privacy and security as a reason for leaving yet they name their children prince and princess. A sure fire way to draw attention to them and reduce their security.

I honestly want to know how people who want the monarchy gone yet praise harry and Meghan for their bravery in standing up to the RF, square this circle?

Am reading that "sources are eager to conform this has nothing to do with what hand yesterday

Yes, I'm a bit sceptical about that.

Not in substance ie not in the sense that there was ever a question about Edward getting the title - the tabloid/bottom feeders speculation was based on nothing other than it not being immediate

But rather because ennobling Edward before the question of the Sussex DC's use of their titles was settled would have been seized on as a snub.

So now the Sussexes have finally made their decision known, there was no longer any need to pause.

Except, as even the propaganda press for the Royal Family is reporting, this delay caused some talk as the Philip the DoE died two years ago.

It had been announced Edward's wedding that the title would be conferred on Edward on the death of Phillip.

And yes, I suspect the lifetime title is the compromise. Charles and William probably wanted to reserve it for one of William's kids but after the recent titles clusterfuck, this was a handy compromise.

There was only speculation when Philip died in media and people that don’t understand how titles work.

when Philip died Charles became DofE so it couldn’t be conferred to anyone else.

I would agree with this. Also the fact its his birthday and a reasonable distance between both the death of HMQ and the coronation is a bonus. Maybe KC "forced" the hand of H&M. Announce now or wait until after the coronation?

Nice handy coincidence that the Sussex thing was sorted yesterday leaving today - Edward’s birthday and he and Sophie being in Edinburgh - to announce this.

I mean, come on people, this has obviously been the plan. That’s clearly why they’re in Edinburgh today…

PS: I've just looked back at my old posts, and in the thread about this back in November, I had written that the title may well be given as a birthday present (though I got his age wrong - I thought he was 60 this year, not 59)

Others agreed, and we can't possibly have known it was the plan. You'd have to be insider/family to have known the intention and the timing. But it was an obvious enough possibility to have been noted as such

can you show us the photos?

The way the title had been conferred on Philip meant it passed to his eldest son - Charles.

Until Charles became King he couldn't give it to anyone else as only the Monarch has that ability. And the Monarch can't take titles away from people without an Act of Parliament.

Indeed, it's not an automatic title, it had to be conferred by the monarch, I'm sure there was more important things to sort out .
Edward has said it was his father who wanted him to have the title, it was a bitter sweet honour as he had to wait for both his parents to die before he would have had it conferred.
Interesting that technically it should have gone to Andrew ( obviously not a favourite with his father as he was with his mother!) .
Not sure why this has anything to do with Meghan ?
Transfer of titles and property and other honours after one monarch dies and another accends, does not happen all in one go .
There are protocols and things move slowly, I believe we're just seeing Charles starting to put all the changes and requirements into place in order of importance.
And it's a lovely birthday gift for Edward.

"I'm not a royalist at all, but seen in context of the family, it makes sense to me. Harry and Meghan don't want to be a part of The Firm anymore - absolutely their choice, and I can understand why. Their kids might feel differently - let them have their birthright - when they're older they can decide whether they want to keep it, or not."

This.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings snap!

Agree that was the plan for this announcement - for the birthday is known and travel/visit plans must have been in the diary for some weeks/month

Technically it should have gone to Andrew? Why?

In most cases it would have remained unused until one of the new monarchs children or grandchildren got a new title.

Andrew has York and was never going to be given another as it would have been unnecessary.

I remember this. It made a lot of sense to me timing wise, knowing how they tend to do things.

It’s as clear as day.

Some will refuse to see it though.

All very nice, Edward seems an inoffensive sort of chap, but what does it mean and how will it affect us? Not at all really, a title is just words and medals.

Although perhaps he will now manage the DofE Awards which is a good scheme, character building and all that.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings , no idea ! , that was what Edward himself said , I was surprised to read it myself, but as a royal, I'm assuming he knows what he's talking about!

We don't know that Edward "was left wondering"

PP said he's in Edinburgh today. Must have been planned weeks/months in advance

He and Sophie have been heading up the DofE scheme for a while

I didn't know that. That's good.

He's been the Royal head of the DofE awards scheme for some years already.

I wish the Wessexes (or Edinburghs, as we now need to get used to saying) would get more publicity for what they do. Especially Sophie's work against VAWG, FMG and rape as tool of war.

Except, as even the propaganda press for the Royal Family is reporting, this delay caused some talk as the Philip the DoE died two years ago.

It had been announced Edward's wedding that the title would be conferred on Edward on the death of Phillip.

As ever, lots of people in the press and elsewhere speculating based on ignorance.

The Duke of Edinburgh’s passed on his death, as you would expect, to his oldest son. As he was already the Prince of Wales, it just became one of the many lesser titles he held (along with Duke of Cambridge etc). He couldn’t himself do anything to change that.

Once the Queen died, and Prince Charles became the King, the titles he holds revert to the Crown. As King he can re-assign the Duke of Edinburgh title as he sees fit. Only then could he grant it to his younger brother as agreed with his parents when Edward got married.

If you look at the actual press statement at the time of his wedding, it says Edward would be given the title when it eventually reverts to the Crown. That’s when Charles becomes King, not when Phillip dies. Anything else is fake news.

(I also think it’s quite a sensible plan to only grant life titles to the monarch’s children. Charles could of course amend other titles currently to ensure that is the case. York will revert to the Crown when Andrew dies as he only has daughters, and Sussex could also be changed in this way).

Thank you for answering. I had no intention of creating a “pile on “as you put it.🤷‍♀️ No need for snippiness 😆. Unfortunately, the details about todgers and baths are in the book, so they will be referred to as examples of Harry over sharing. We can’t just stick our fingers in our ears and go la la la and pretend they are not there 😂😂

Sorry, my error, it was Buckingham palace, not KP

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Duh, sorry, Prince Charles’ lesser titles as Prince of Wales included Duke of Cornwall, of course, not Cambridge. That was held by his son.