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Read Spare, actually ended up with a more positive view of the Royal Family

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GatoradeMeBitch · 22/01/2023 01:31

I was on Harry and Meghan's side before I read his book. And in large part because of the disgusting and shameful way Meghan was treated by the British press which is a valid thing, whatever else is going on.

But after reading and re-reading Spare, I think I have a better impression of the Royal Family than before.

With Charles we learnt that he always came to tuck the boys in at night, never forgot that Harry needed the door open because he was afraid of the dark, and it seemed from Harry's own words that he did try his best to be a good and consistent parent within the framework of what he knew.

Harry's anecdotes about Kate made me completely change my opinion of her. It seemed like Meghan was trying to force a friendship between them (the lip gloss incident, the baby brain incident), when Kate had been around the Royals for a long time and would have learnt to be cautious of new and over-friendly people. And then when she did initiate a conversation with Meghan at Trooping the Colour she got a flippant one word response. And Harry thought Kate was in the wrong for that?

With William I just think, there are worse sibling dynamics. It's normal to want to be your own person at school, it's normal to want a best friend as best man, it's normal to not want to stay out all night when you have a newborn at home. Harry seemed angry that William wasn't the brother he wanted him to be, but ultimately that's not William's problem. At the end of the book William tells Harry he loves him and wants him to be happy, the kind of emotional reaching out Harry said he wanted, yet it seemed like he didn't try to meet him in that moment. It was also William who tried to have conversations about their mother which Harry rejected (which would undoubtedly have been one of William's crimes if it had happened the other way around, also the North Pole trip that could have caused him to miss William's wedding, imagine if William had done that...)

Even Camilla doesn't come across like a villain, once Harry has explained that there are people around the Royals who manipulate them and play power games with them. She as a new member of the family wouldn't have been immune to that. Perhaps she thought she could speak to her staff in confidence. And maybe a Prince gets to be shocked that his room was repurposed when he left home, but it's a pretty normal occurrence for most of us.

The book is fascinating as a historical document and the first time a Royal has (voluntarily) been so forthcoming and honest, but it's striking to me that his family just... don't seem all that bad, except the one obvious exception. Whereas Harry seems unaware of some of his flaws, like his blatant hero complex. (The motorbike anecdote made me cringe.) He's so ready to vilify his family over relatively normal things and not-so-normal things that he admits are out of their control, that it makes me wonder how things will pan out with Meghan. Once the dust settles and all the stories have been told (with no access to new ones now his family know he's an exposé writer) and he is missing the hunting trips and the summers at Balmoral, he will only have one person left to put in the role of villain.

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comrad · 22/01/2023 01:35

A fair assessment and I came away from it with similar views. Weirdly, he ended up humanising his family - I didn’t think much of them before I read it. Thought less of him though.

Got2besoon · 22/01/2023 01:37

Completely agree.

I came away feeling sorry for Charles.

comrad · 22/01/2023 01:38

And now you’ve pointed out the trooping the colour joke, yes, it was a flippant way of answering. Not quite sure how he expected Kate to respond to it. Why has he even included that anecdote? Unless he thought it may get leaked as there were others present and wanted to get his version out first 🤷‍♀️

HereComesMaleficent · 22/01/2023 01:43

I don't dislike Harry or Meghan. I don't know them.

But yes after reading it I also found myself empathising and weirdly finding similarities and a real humanity on the Royal Family.

They seem to be like any other family, with their petty squabbles, sibling rivalry, a parent trying to do his best but falling short in his child's eyes.

I also came away feeling rather sorry for both Charles and William. One who made an effort, tucked his children in, knew things about them and always tried to do the right thing. Then the second one pleading and groveling, wishing nothing but happiness for his sibling, but getting rejected.

Spare has weirdly lifted my opinion of the royal family rather than reduced it.

As for Harry, I hope he continues to receive support with his mental health, and I wish him and Meghan happiness however that unfolds.

USaYwHatNow · 22/01/2023 02:01

I have it as an audio book (sent the hard copy back as naive first time mum over here, who has time to read?! 😂) and I think hearing him speak the words only makes him sound more petulant, and a lot of the time I was listening, I found myself saying 'yeah?! And?! So what?!' so I completely identify with your comments. Also, when I watched the documentary they made, it also struck me how little he helped Meghan prepare for Royal life which, as a loving and supportive partner, surely you'd try your best to do? Not throw them to the wolves (meeting Granny, curtsy debacle).

HareAndBear · 22/01/2023 02:02

Which motorbike incident? When he was flying?

I came away from the book thinking that like most things, both parties were at fault in part.

Megan's absence is noticeable and I wondered if she'll be off now. Harry spoke very warmly of his exes and seemed desperate to marry.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 22/01/2023 05:52

HareAndBear · 22/01/2023 02:02

Which motorbike incident? When he was flying?

I came away from the book thinking that like most things, both parties were at fault in part.

Megan's absence is noticeable and I wondered if she'll be off now. Harry spoke very warmly of his exes and seemed desperate to marry.

Flying? Motorbike? Is Harry actually Hagrid?

flapjackfairy · 22/01/2023 07:53

@UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername
That's made me snort my tea out !
But yes what motorcycle incident,? I need to know now!

BethDuttonsTwin · 22/01/2023 07:56

He's so ready to vilify his family over relatively normal things and not-so-normal things that he admits are out of their control, that it makes me wonder how things will pan out with Meghan. Once the dust settles and all the stories have been told (with no access to new ones now his family know he's an exposé writer) and he is missing the hunting trips and the summers at Balmoral, he will only have one person left to put in the role of villain.

This is very insightful and I think you’re right.

Snugglepiggy · 22/01/2023 08:25

Tbh I've always rather liked Charles .Not the popular view- but considering the stuffy,formal upbringing he had.Far longer seperation from his parents and a miserable time at school I think he's done his best as a parent in the circumstances and loves his boys.I never even viewed him as the evil one and Diana sainted.Both were deeply unsuited to each other.As someone a bit older and wiser now I see adult DCs and my own sibling dynamics and see some people who crack on with what life deals them.And some who no matter what attention,validation,opportunities etc always feel it wasn't enough.

Sindonym · 22/01/2023 08:26

I read it slightly differently to you. In that I don’t think he wanted to vilify his family. That is the press’ interpretation and narrative. He just wanted to tell his story. And the love & care he has for his family is clear.

And yes Harry paints King Charles as someone who did his best and there is love between the two of them & Harry clearly admires his father. He wasn’t a great father to a young, bereaved child though - that’s not uncommon - the adults have their own issues to work through & may not be able to give what is needed. I don’t think that makes him a terrible father - to not react optimally in the worst moment of Harry’s life, but it will have had a significant impact on Harry.

William and Harry’s teen relationship sounded similar to my younger two. Not unusual at all. Although my younger two grew out of it - not sure theirs has moved on. I guess there is a different power dynamic there and there was the need to work together which will complicate matters. Environments like Eton will also add pressure the relationship. Windsor major not wanting anything to do with Windsor minor (or were they Wales major & minor) all normal but in a setting that did not have the security of home, where Harry was recently bereaved & pretty much delusional with grief at the time. Of course that relationship will be complex.

i was a struck that despite his ambivalence towards Camilla he was happy she made his father happy. I think maybe the issue there is that he feels he was thrown to the wolves to protect her. I think it has been daily well documented over the years that for Charles Camilla does come first. No surprises there.

I haven’t quite finished the book yet so I may change my mind at the end, but so far I have just been left feeling that the false narrative is that he wanted to vilify them. The action of writing a book may be the not acceptable part (but obviously his mum had her book & didn’t Charles have one following his interview?? Can’t remember) but I don’t think that book is the hatchet job on his family it is portrayed to be. I don’t think it was meant to be. It’s a hatchet job on the press - no wonder they’re pissed off.

Maireas · 22/01/2023 08:54

Well, if he didn't want to vilify his family, he's failed, because he does.
Charles comes across as a kind and well intentioned man, but his mistakes are catalogued. It's not a pleasant portrait of either Camilla or Kate, and parts relating to William I found unnecessary and sometimes cruel.
I don't know why you'd want to do that to people. He wouldn't want that from his own children down the line.

purpledalmation · 22/01/2023 09:48

What was the comment made at the trooping of the colour by Meghan, and kate's words to her? Just curious. I think I'll get the audio book.

Sindonym · 22/01/2023 09:51

maybe he held back? The portrait of Charles was far kinder than many I have read over the years. I thought he was rather gracious about Camilla - given how he must feel about her (I mean…. just think about how someone would write about her on here).

Clearly a tricky relationship with his brother - and he may have destroyed the chance of a reconciliation there, but I didn’t read it as cruel (although haven’t finished the book yet). I did rather like something I saw on Twitter about how in the past the brothers would have amassed separate armies and met in a field. (Let’s face it Harry would have won). 😀

So far I am just left with a feeling of sadness tbh. It feels like it didn’t need to get to this stage but also that the warning signs for Harry’s difficulties have been there for decades and were contained rather than dealt with.

Personally I think there isn’t much place for the RF, or aristocracy for that matter, in modern Britain (although probably marginally better than a political replacement) but I think the book raises some questions about how they could better work together, rather than separately. The fights between the different houses feel almost medieval and maybe leave this sort of scenario as a risk for future generations. Although having three children will reduce the heir and spare feeling (having had three children where one has needed to get all the attention I am glad the other two have each other tbh).

Maireas · 22/01/2023 10:19

Well, it's the 21st century.
I don't think Harry should have betrayed William by sharing words spoken at a very private and somewhat desperate moment. Relating to their mother.
Anyway. He's certainly not respected others' privacy, imo

HareAndBear · 22/01/2023 10:21

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 22/01/2023 05:52

Flying? Motorbike? Is Harry actually Hagrid?

GrinGrin

HareAndBear · 22/01/2023 10:23

purpledalmation · 22/01/2023 09:48

What was the comment made at the trooping of the colour by Meghan, and kate's words to her? Just curious. I think I'll get the audio book.

Meghan said it was 'colourful'.

hopeishere · 22/01/2023 10:25

purpledalmation · 22/01/2023 09:48

What was the comment made at the trooping of the colour by Meghan, and kate's words to her? Just curious. I think I'll get the audio book.

Kate asked her what she thought of it and she replied "colourful". I don't really get why that elicited a big silence but I guess tone is missing!

comrad · 22/01/2023 10:31

Snugglepiggy

Very good points

ArseInTheDogBowl · 22/01/2023 11:30

I did rather like something I saw on Twitter about how in the past the brothers would have amassed separate armies and met in a field. (Let’s face it Harry would have won). 😀

Do you think though? I think William would have crushed him! I see William being more like Edward IV and Harry being like the Duke of Clarence... who Edward had drowned in a barrel of malmsey wine.

I also have a higher opinion of the royal family after this. I didn't have much of an opinion before, fairly neutral.

I didn't have a good opinion of Harry or Meghan before this and it's a lot more negative now.

smilesy · 22/01/2023 11:47

hopeishere · 22/01/2023 10:25

Kate asked her what she thought of it and she replied "colourful". I don't really get why that elicited a big silence but I guess tone is missing!

It was maybe meant as a joke, but it probably came across as a bit dismissive, especially if Kate was trying to open a conversation. If it was meant as a joke, I don’t think it was as hilarious as Harry seemed to think it was 🤷‍♀️. I think it rather shows how Meghan absolutely did not get any of the history or cultural significance of the Royals and their traditions, much like when she couldn’t understand why crowds had come out to see them in Australia and why she didn’t under that she was not paid for appearances.

BethDuttonsTwin · 22/01/2023 11:51

ArseInTheDogBowl · 22/01/2023 11:30

I did rather like something I saw on Twitter about how in the past the brothers would have amassed separate armies and met in a field. (Let’s face it Harry would have won). 😀

Do you think though? I think William would have crushed him! I see William being more like Edward IV and Harry being like the Duke of Clarence... who Edward had drowned in a barrel of malmsey wine.

I also have a higher opinion of the royal family after this. I didn't have much of an opinion before, fairly neutral.

I didn't have a good opinion of Harry or Meghan before this and it's a lot more negative now.

Agree, William would have won. The country is behind him now so would have been then. I liked the bit where Meghan would have ended up in a convent, like all high born ladies they didn’t know what to do with 😁

GatoradeMeBitch · 22/01/2023 11:51

Which motorbike incident? When he was flying?

In the military part. A civilian got knocked off his motorbike (and I think shot in the leg) and while the Americans were getting him medical treatment Harry and his team cleaned his motorbike and gave it back to him. The man was so grateful to them for returning his bike Harry said he he almost collapsed.

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GatoradeMeBitch · 22/01/2023 11:55

it also struck me how little he helped Meghan prepare for Royal life

Me too. Wouldn't you warn your partner to not hug the heir to the throne the first time they meet? And maybe not tell her it was fine to go shopping alone in central London after the story about them had broken in the press? He was very naive.

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GatoradeMeBitch · 22/01/2023 12:15

Kate asked her what she thought of it and she replied "colourful". I don't really get why that elicited a big silence but I guess tone is missing!

It was a military event for the Queen's birthday and they were all on the balcony. Not the end of the world, but saying something thoughtful or respectful would have gone over better.

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