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Does Harry honestly think Diana was killed by the paps?

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leopardskincolour · 16/01/2023 22:34

Just that really. I'm still reading the book so I might be wrong, but so far he seems she "went into hiding" because of the paps, and not the fault of the RF?

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AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 08:35

The inquest found that the following vehicles chasing the car (i.e. the paparazzi) were one of a number of factor which caused or contributed to the deaths. I find it weird that so many posters on here are keen to blame Diana entirely for her own death, and paint Harry as if he has made this stuff up in his head.

SheilaFentiman · 17/01/2023 08:37

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 08:35

The inquest found that the following vehicles chasing the car (i.e. the paparazzi) were one of a number of factor which caused or contributed to the deaths. I find it weird that so many posters on here are keen to blame Diana entirely for her own death, and paint Harry as if he has made this stuff up in his head.

Exactly.

Hepwo · 17/01/2023 08:38

Diana had been photographed her whole adult life, from the age of 19, a full 17 years by the time she died. What was different about that final occasion?

Drunk driver and excessive speed, both authorized not by her but by Dodi Al Fayed.

There was no need for either and both could have been avoided if her boyfriend had not overruled his bodyguard who tried to stop the switch of drivers.

If anyone caused her death it was her boyfriend.

monitor1 · 17/01/2023 08:50

She'd have almost certainly lived if she had worn a seatbelt....

marcopront · 17/01/2023 09:04

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 08:35

The inquest found that the following vehicles chasing the car (i.e. the paparazzi) were one of a number of factor which caused or contributed to the deaths. I find it weird that so many posters on here are keen to blame Diana entirely for her own death, and paint Harry as if he has made this stuff up in his head.

Why is it OK to blame one factor the paparazzi but not to blame one factor the lack of seatbelt?

There were multiple factors but the lack of seat belt was probably the biggest one.
Actually deciding to change hotel was the biggest.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:12

marcopront · 17/01/2023 09:04

Why is it OK to blame one factor the paparazzi but not to blame one factor the lack of seatbelt?

There were multiple factors but the lack of seat belt was probably the biggest one.
Actually deciding to change hotel was the biggest.

What evidence do you have that the lack of seat belt was the "biggest" factor?

If there had been no chase and no speeding, there may well have been no crash in the first place, making the seat belts irrelevant.

Harry has said that there were many factors that caused this - including the paprazzi (which the media often curiously steer away from mentioning). And he's right - what he says is consistent with the inquest findings.

Frenulumetta · 17/01/2023 09:13

One of the factors ie not wearing a seat belt would not have been an issue if she hadn't have been chased had to run to car speed off no time to put it on in her stress to get away didn't remember the press are to blame and the other factors added to it.

Bookkeys · 17/01/2023 09:14

Even with the paps chasing them, if they'd had a sober, more sensible driver making the right decisions, the crash probably wouldn't have happened

Diana was harassed thousands of times by paps and didn't die on those occasions

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:16

Funnily enough, I trust the findings of the inquest more than I trust what some MNer reckons.

The inquest found that the "grossly negligent driving" of both the pursuing paparazzi and the drunk driver were key factors.

smilesy · 17/01/2023 09:16

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:12

What evidence do you have that the lack of seat belt was the "biggest" factor?

If there had been no chase and no speeding, there may well have been no crash in the first place, making the seat belts irrelevant.

Harry has said that there were many factors that caused this - including the paprazzi (which the media often curiously steer away from mentioning). And he's right - what he says is consistent with the inquest findings.

The seat belt was the biggest factor in her not surviving the crash. All the other factors contributed to the actual crash. The paps were there, but there was no actual need for Diana and Dodi to leave the hotel so that the paps would pursue them. There was no need to change driver. So, in itself, although the presence of paparazzi was a contributing factor to the accident, it was no bigger a factor than several others.

WaddleAway · 17/01/2023 09:16

Who do you think is responsible for her death, OP?

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:17

Bookkeys · 17/01/2023 09:14

Even with the paps chasing them, if they'd had a sober, more sensible driver making the right decisions, the crash probably wouldn't have happened

Diana was harassed thousands of times by paps and didn't die on those occasions

I bet every single previous episode of harassment contributed to the poor decision making that night though. She'd been continuously harassed for over 15 years.

WaddleAway · 17/01/2023 09:18

marcopront · 17/01/2023 09:04

Why is it OK to blame one factor the paparazzi but not to blame one factor the lack of seatbelt?

There were multiple factors but the lack of seat belt was probably the biggest one.
Actually deciding to change hotel was the biggest.

If Diana was wearing a seatbelt the crash would still have happened. The lack of a seatbelt didn’t cause the crash.
She would have had a far higher chance of surviving it however.

growinggreyer · 17/01/2023 09:18

Frenulumetta · 17/01/2023 09:13

One of the factors ie not wearing a seat belt would not have been an issue if she hadn't have been chased had to run to car speed off no time to put it on in her stress to get away didn't remember the press are to blame and the other factors added to it.

You do realise that you are not being chased by the paparazzi don't you? Sheesh, slow down and use the punctuation. It's free!

caffelattetogo · 17/01/2023 09:19

If they hadn't tried to outrun the paps she would still be alive. If she had stood outside, and had her photo taken by them all, the value of the photos would have plummeted (no scarcity, smiley happy pictures are worth less). She was badly advised, or didn't listen to her press advisors.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:21

caffelattetogo · 17/01/2023 09:19

If they hadn't tried to outrun the paps she would still be alive. If she had stood outside, and had her photo taken by them all, the value of the photos would have plummeted (no scarcity, smiley happy pictures are worth less). She was badly advised, or didn't listen to her press advisors.

She'd been continuously harassed by the press for 15 years, and she will have known from prior experience that they would chase her regardless.

But this is her fault, right?

MontyK · 17/01/2023 09:21

The driver was three times over the limit, driving at over 60mph, through a relatively narrow tunnel on a bend - he is responsible imo.

Also I highly doubt she would have walked away unscathed if wearing a seatbelt. The car was absolutely wrecked. She would probably have sustained life changing injuries at best and still died at worst.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:22

I love how people who haven't been subject to press harassment for well over a decade are so much better informed about how to deal with it.

pantherrose · 17/01/2023 09:28

The seatbelts didn't work on the car. The car itself wasn't fit for the road, having been pretty much written off in a crash two years earlier. As I understand it, the wreck was sold and repaired then bought by the limo company that was contracted to the Paris Ritz. Drivers of VVIP's and HNW individuals hold a special licence and are trained to drive at high speed if there is a threat to the Principal. They are a select group and word is that when they discussed the accident among themselves, there were those that knew the S class Mercedes that Diana was in and that the vehicle was highly dangerous and unfit for any speeds above 40mph!
This is just one article" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/princess-diana-paris-car-killed-in-travelling-hugely-dangerous-rebuilt-wreck-reports-henri-paul-pascal-rostain-mercedes-a7765356.html
As I understand it, Henri Paul was the General Manager of the hôtel and not one of their chauffeurs. Fwiw, a French documentary cast some reasonable doubt as to him being drunk, but either way she should never have been in that car.
I also feel that tragic though it was for Al Fayed, the arrangements should have been absolutely watertight for Diana whatever the circumstances.

Boulshired · 17/01/2023 09:30

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:22

I love how people who haven't been subject to press harassment for well over a decade are so much better informed about how to deal with it.

But you hire drivers who are experienced and trained and in the case of Diana with a minimum of 10 years experience of high valuable (in terms of threat) and easy recognisable targets. The car was not going to out run the paparazzi in a tunnel.

Lou197 · 17/01/2023 09:33

The new channel 4 doc Diana Death in Paris questions if Henri Paul the driver was actually drunk at the wheel. Worth a watch.

smilesy · 17/01/2023 09:36

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 09:21

She'd been continuously harassed by the press for 15 years, and she will have known from prior experience that they would chase her regardless.

But this is her fault, right?

No one has said that. It has been said that the paps were one of the factors contributing to the accident. But not the only or probably the main one that night. Whatever had happened I. The 15 years before are or relevant to the combination of factors that happened on that night. If they wanted to avoid the paps, the best thing would probably have been to stay in the hotel. But hindsight is a wonderful thing

Frenulumetta · 17/01/2023 09:43

growinggreyer · 17/01/2023 09:18

You do realise that you are not being chased by the paparazzi don't you? Sheesh, slow down and use the punctuation. It's free!

I dont believe in punctuation unless it is for important formal or work purposes this is a gossipy social media forum where people type on their phones in a rush as they shouldn't be on here they should be doing more productive things and don't have time for such bs too bad you dont like it but I dont really care

Hepwo · 17/01/2023 09:46

There was absolutely no need to go on a late night high speed drive around Paris to try to annoy photographers. It was pure machismo on the part of Al Fayed and the drunk security employee.

But then there's no need for Harry and Meghan to try to annoy press people either. As KC has said to them, they won't "win".

Their obsessive reading about themselves has led to them acting in a manner that's as rash as Al Fayed.

Considering Meghan was going to teach the Royal Family how to be a global ambassador she's made a massive mess of it so far.

Hopefully they have enough cash to just dial it down now.

headstone · 17/01/2023 09:46

MontyK crash experts have analysed the crash, the conclusion has always been that she would have most likely survived the crash. The front and left side of the car took the impact and the car crumpled like it was meant to. There are so many conspiracies regarding the events and still some confusion. It’s worth noting that the French authority cleared the paparazzi from causing the crash.