Does Harry honestly think Diana was killed by the paps?

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Just that really. I'm still reading the book so I might be wrong, but so far he seems she "went into hiding" because of the paps, and not the fault of the RF?

Whatever you think of Harry, there's no doubt his mother was tormented and made miserable by the paparazzi. They created the chaotic circumstances that led to her being in the car to begin with. They took photos of her as she lay dying.

He would have a trauma response to paparazzi and yet has had to deal with them his whole life. It must be awful.

Don't agree with a lot of what he does but I feel very sorry for him. I can't see how anyone could be normal or happy in those circumstances.

These are the people buying his book 💰

But if the paps had not been there that night, Diana wouldn’t have died that night.

Well she got in a car with a drunk driver and no seatbelt, high chance is without paps she'd have died. Drunk people do not make good drivers.

No visible injuries means nothing. Internal injuries could have been massive. She died as a result of the crash.

Sometimes people need to have someone to blame. It is easier to say it was X's fault especially if X is still around to have the finger pointed at them.

Al Fayed needs someone to blame. His son died. He needs it to have been a conspiracy because otherwise all you are left with is a drunk driver employed by Al Fayed.

It was a night like any other. There would have been a few rather boring photographs of Diana in a car. They probably wouldn't even have been saleable.

The real person to blame was the driver. He was drunk, driving too fast and recklessly. He died so people feel uncomfortable about blaming him entirely.

It was a stupid, pointless accident.

Sadly the driver was over the limit. She wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. She should never have got into that car.

@ReneBumsWombats He also said that in the photos of the scene, while Diana looked unconscious, she had no visible injuries.

That's because her injuries were internal. She did of a ruptured pulmonary vein which is a rare injury.
In 2019, Richard Shepherd, Britain's top forensic pathologist, concluded that Diana died of a tiny, badly placed tear in the vein of her lung. “Her specific injury is so rare that in my entire career I don’t believe I’ve seen another,” Shepherd wrote in his book, Unnatural Causes, excerpted in The Daily Mail.
Shepherd believes Diana’s death could have been prevented by one small change: a seatbelt. “Had she been restrained, she would probably have appeared in public two days later with a black eye, perhaps a bit breathless from the fractured ribs and with a broken arm in a sling,” Shepherd wrote.

I was in the 'should have worn her seatbelt' camp till I saw a photo someone posted on here a couple of days ago which showed the car leaving the Ritz with Diana sitting sideways on the back seat so her back was to the window. She was clearly sitting like that to stop the photographers getting a picture of her face, and it would be the reason why she couldn't have put her seat belt on.

Then the photographers the other side would be able to see her face! She could have covered her face and worn a seatbelt instead.

You have said yourself they were a factor.
Did he discuss the other factors?
Or even why she choose to leave the hotel in the first place?

she could have turned her head or simply covered her face? She choose rather to not wear a seatbelt. A bad choice

At the end of the day P Harry can believe what he likes.

Judging by much of what is in his book it would be fair to say that his imagination needs some firm external attachments 🙄

Harry denies the driver was drunk too and says he was only going 65 and not faster.

Harry wasn't there.

And he knows this how ?

Was he there or was it all live streamed into his head

Harry doesn't understand the bicycle chain analogy . Apart from the fact that the analogy would apply to most RTAs it doesn't actually make a good argument for the paps being responsible as they were just one link.

However, I believe the paps hounded her to death, nasty sexist aggressive males without scruples. Paparazzi photography was a huge frenzy at the time and obviously the media that bought these photos for their readership are ultimately responsible for driving this rouge toxic male papping culture. Paps had a professional excuse to chase famous women and harass them, not sure how this is nowadays but I worked in an industry at the time where I was familiar with this. Disgusting, basic, aggressive men chasing women, capturing their photos and selling them and probably getting a nasty kick out of it too. IMV, the women who were hounded, including Diana, were victims of male violence that was condoned and actively promoted by the sexist and exploitative media, not just in the UK.

I am no Diana fan but she was exploited and abused in my opinion. By her family, the RF and the press. I can understand that Harry is traumatised from this and now has a weird relationship with the media and rf, he hates the British press yet he is feeding the beast.

I reject what Harrys is doing now, attacking his family, especially his poor brother, wife and kids in public, he is being a total dick and must have lost the plot. Not sure what to make of Meghan, time will tell. It's not up to harry and he needs to shut up but the royal family's relationship with the public and the media must be urgently reviewed and transformed. I doubt Charles will be able to, he is meek. Harry is no use being the wrecking ball that he is. It will be up to William and Kate to be strong leaders and look at how they see all this working in the future. It's a huge shame it didn't work out with Meghan and the rf, she is media savvy and quite modern. But she's, petty and bitchy and covets media attention, she has lost any credibility she may have had before with the petty and hurtful anecdotes she asked Harry to share.

The investigation showed that the nearest paparazzi were more than a km behind the car when it crashed . Whilst this does show how fast the car was going it also disclaims the theory of the flashing lights being a distraction.

The driver was drunk, he was speeding , she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt , in those cars it’s perfectly possible to turn side on to the window and wear a seatbelt. They could have chosen to slip out , they could have stayed in the hotel as they were meant to . Lots of ‘ifs’ but that’s what accidents are .

of all the stuff I have read it is Harry’s attitude to this which I think is most disturbing. He so clearly hasn’t come to terms with it at all. It’s very sad but his dismissal of ‘objective truth’ is really worrying .

To be fair they did really, he explains when shown photos of his mum in that crash there were so many photographers seconds after it happened that in their scramble to get the best pics and not lift a finger to help anyone involved call an ambulance or offet comfort they all accidentally took pics of each other and flashes of cameras were everywhere as well as reflections of them all snapping away it is actually utterly disgusting that they were not charged with anythin no matter if the driver had alcohol in system if they hadn't been driving so fast to escape the mass of leeches they might not have been blinded by all the flashes. Him and William both got driven through the same tunnel at same 65mph speed and said it was perfectly normal tunnel so there is no doubt they caused it.

Him and William both got driven through the same tunnel at same 65mph speed and said it was perfectly normal tunnel so there is no doubt they caused it.

They were driven by their trained driver (Henri Paul was a chauffeur, not a getaway driver) who was also not over the limit. Not quite the same thing

It wouldn’t surprise me if he one day comes up with a more sinister theory as to how she died. And I don’t mean due to an accident or the paparazzi.

The investigation showed that the nearest paparazzi were more than a km behind the car when it crashed

If this is the case how did they get the image of the driver, papped face on, brightly lit as he drove?

Him and William both got driven through the same tunnel at same 65mph speed and said it was perfectly normal tunnel so there is no doubt they caused it.

@Frenulumetta but did Harry say he left his seatbelt off or tried to find a driver who would drive drunk to replicate the conditions? If not why not, if those factors had so little to do with the outcome?

I'm not convinced by the bike chain analogy either, the Swiss cheese model might be more appropriate..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model

Basically you'll avoid an accident as long as all the holes do not line up....

In the case of a night in question if any one of the following had not been a factor the fatalities might have been avoided: the paps, driver over the limit, seat belts not worn, decision to leave the hotel....there will be other factors I'm sure.

It’s not black and white, like most accidents there were several factors that on their own wouldn’t have caused her death but unfortunately they all happened to combine that night.

Paps chasing.
Excessive speed.
Driver over the limit.
Lack of seatbelt.

Him and William both got driven through the same tunnel at same 65mph speed and said it was perfectly normal tunnel so there is no doubt they caused it.

Were they also drunk?