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Queen offered Meghan a choice of tiaras

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babsanderson · 16/01/2023 13:17

Below is an extract that describes Meghan being given the tiara to wear for her wedding by the Queen. Another passage describes hoe Angela Levin would not allow Meghan to get access to the tiara before her wedding to practise it with her hairdresser.

"Next came the question of a tiara. My aunts asked if Meg would like to wear my mother’s. We were both touched. Meg then spent hours and hours with her dress designer, getting the veil to match the tiara, giving it a similar scalloped edge. Shortly before the wedding, however, Granny reached out. She offered us access to her collection of tiaras. She even invited us to Buckingham Palace to try them on. Do come over, I remember her saying.
Extraordinary morning. We walked into Granny’s private dressing room, right next to her bedroom, a space I’d never been in. Along with Granny was a jewelry expert, an eminent historian who knew the lineage of each stone in the royal collection. Also present was Granny’s dresser and confidante, Angela. Five tiaras were arrayed on a table, and Granny directed Meg to try on each one before a full-length mirror. I stood behind, watching.
One was all emeralds. One was aquamarines. Each was more dazzlingly stunning than the last. Each took my breath. I wasn’t the only one. Granny said to Meg quite tenderly: Tiaras suit you.
Meg melted. Thank you, Ma’am.
One of the five, however, stood out. Everyone agreed. It was beautiful, seemingly made for Meg. Granny said it would be placed in a safe directly and she looked forward to seeing it on Meg’s head come the Big Day. Make sure, she added, that you practice putting it on. With your hairdresser. It’s tricky and you don’t want to be doing it for the first time on the wedding day."

Spare, Harry

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/01/2023 10:53

babsanderson · 17/01/2023 10:19

@Ohnonevermind If I make a request of a staff member as I was advised to do so, I expect a reply or at a minimum an out of office reply. Not radio silence.

I'd imagine that rather depends on how reasonable your request is.

Can you give me the figures for widget production? sure, just let me run that one off.

Can you bring us that tiara? we need it pronto because wife to be's hairdresser can only fit her in today. Yes I KNOW you are on holiday and that we need to give you notice to get the thing out of the vault and arrange security and take it to the salon and we haven't done that, but do you know who I AM and you're supposed to jump when we say so? Probably not so much.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/01/2023 10:54

londonmummy1966 · 17/01/2023 01:00

My take for what it's worth is that Harry has the same attitude to "staff" that he courtiers do - ie that they are to be looked down on. As a dresser (what would once have been a ladies maid) Harry saw AK as staff and would not expect her to say no in the same way as eg a private secretary might. So he was offended that she didn't instantly jump to attention and probably saw her as an uppity scouser who had ideas above her station.

AK seems to have been on holiday when the request was made. The Queen had other dressers even if AK was chief dresser and so she probably had made all the arrangements with the team she thought necessary before going on holiday in terms of planning the Queen's personal wardrobe and jewels for the engagements that would take place whilst she was away.

Megan being lastminute.com/overwhelmed about wedding planning sent a message to AK asking for the tiara (probably on advice from the Queen to have a practice run with it as they are heavy and you need to design the hairstyle with a small braid across the head it can be sewn into). AK didn't respond immediately as she was away and so Megan panicked and ran to Harry. The numpty being his usual self didn't explain to her that there would be other dressers if AK wasn't around but instead threw his toys in the corner to AK that Megan wasn't getting what she wanted. (It might also be the case that the duty dressers weren't in London as they'd be with the Queen and she might well be elsewhere on royal duties etc etc.) AK came back to deal with the situation despite being on holiday and may well have said that more notice was necessary to get the tiara out/organise security etc. (It might even have been out for cleaning and checking over before the wedding.) Harry treated her with disrespect as "staff" who shouldn't stand up to him and AK was pretty P'd off about this, probably let Harry know that in no uncertain terms, and then told the Queen - hence the story/rumour that either Harry or Meghan or both were taken aside and told their behaviour wasn't acceptable. Harry's grudge against AK (clear from calling her AK-47) may well stem from his feeling that as a member of "staff" AK was acing above his perception of her station in reporting his bad behaviour to the Queen.

I think you're as close as any of us are likely to be until it's confirmed what happened (if it ever is).

trucklebrunch · 17/01/2023 10:55

I'm not sure you can say anyone was trying to make her wedding difficult....she was offered 5 priceless tiaras to chose from (6 if you count the Spencer tiara)

I imagine Harry stuck his nose in and started throwing his weight around, not having a clue about tiaras, veils, hair styles or possessing any sort if manners. Making it very difficult for Meghan to be liked or helped 'what Meghan wants Meghan gets!'

I feel sorry for Meghan - a lot. I don't think with Harry by her side, filled with bitterness and hatred, she stood a chance. He didn't seem to prepare her at all. His 'support' was to throw tantrum's and further alienate her.

Ohnonevermind · 17/01/2023 10:58

@notanotheroneagain

Harry doesn’t know Pat, he has no idea about Pat, whether she would want privacy or to be outed in his book.

Obviously privacy only matters if it’s Harry’s.
I can’t believe the hypocrisy being displayed

Ohnonevermind · 17/01/2023 11:01

Perhaps Harry should apologise to Pat for outing her.

He’s great at demanding apologies but not so great at giving hem.

bakalava · 17/01/2023 11:13

Also she was not disabled, just had a dodgy back and knee (presumably with age).
Words fail me, at this stage, all of the sensible stans really have checked out 🙄

smilesy · 17/01/2023 11:21

Also she was not disabled, just had a dodgy back and knee (presumably with age).

I have only just seen this as bakalava has just quoted it. Unbelievable! If she has scoliosis she most definitely has a disability. I had a school friend with this who has had several operations, but still suffers badly with mobility problems. But at the very least Harry’s misogyny is showing here. He didn’t think she was attractive so she is automatically unpleasant and easily dismissed. What a class act he is.

bakalava · 17/01/2023 11:25

smilesy · 17/01/2023 11:21

Also she was not disabled, just had a dodgy back and knee (presumably with age).

I have only just seen this as bakalava has just quoted it. Unbelievable! If she has scoliosis she most definitely has a disability. I had a school friend with this who has had several operations, but still suffers badly with mobility problems. But at the very least Harry’s misogyny is showing here. He didn’t think she was attractive so she is automatically unpleasant and easily dismissed. What a class act he is.

@smilesy I was quoting @notanotheroneagain from the previous page. I cannot believe that serious disability discrimination is casually tossed aside like this by fans in order to defend Harry.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/01/2023 11:26

smilesy · 17/01/2023 11:21

Also she was not disabled, just had a dodgy back and knee (presumably with age).

I have only just seen this as bakalava has just quoted it. Unbelievable! If she has scoliosis she most definitely has a disability. I had a school friend with this who has had several operations, but still suffers badly with mobility problems. But at the very least Harry’s misogyny is showing here. He didn’t think she was attractive so she is automatically unpleasant and easily dismissed. What a class act he is.

He describes her as having to descend stairs backwards and glacially.

I don't know how anyone can defend that section tbh. (I know you aren't)

jeffgoldblum · 17/01/2023 11:27

I was born with scoliosis and I'm deeply offended! , dodgy back and knees ! Due to age! Wtf 🤬

oreste · 17/01/2023 11:29

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smilesy · 17/01/2023 11:29

bakalava · 17/01/2023 11:25

@smilesy I was quoting @notanotheroneagain from the previous page. I cannot believe that serious disability discrimination is casually tossed aside like this by fans in order to defend Harry.

Yes I know. Sorry, I meant I had only just noticed what nota had said when you highlighted it in your post no went back and read it 😁

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 11:40

Enko · 17/01/2023 08:32

To be fair with regards to Margaret even in the queen's biography it is made clear Margaret disliked Diana intently and was rude about her. Including comments such as "can we just get this over wirh" and " you really need to install more bathrooms here (B Palace) as they were waiting to go to Diana's funeral.

I will actually give Harry a free pass here. I would dispise someone who was that rude about my mother around her funeral. Margaret knew better she just deemed Diana beneath her and resented she had to show for the funeral.

Where are you getting these quotes from? I think Harry would have mentioned her comments if he was aware of them (if they happened at all)… what about all the other women I listed in my post, have you got a justification for Harry being an arse about them?

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 11:47

notanotheroneagain · 17/01/2023 10:50

I don't know the woman, I don't know if she is alive but if she is and she has read

You are right, you don't know the woman.
I tell you who does know her though, Harry.
He even says, he was 'being a perfect ass' and that 'she'd laugh too. This was the best part'. And also says he loved watching 'Pat bust a gut'.

Also she was not disabled, just had a dodgy back and knee (presumably with age).

This is the thing about not reading a book and listening to hateful media take things out of context.
Just like the Taliban 'boast' which was not a boast at all.
Just like the 'xbox lie'. Where the next line says exactly that this was a narrative told to him and running through his life, but he does not even remember this taking place, was it true?

Loads of us here have read the book, I have. Harry’s behaviour was bratty and his description of it decades later shows him up as a misogynist.
You don’t seem to understand what disabled means so I’ll take everything you say with a substantial pinch of salt.

Damnautocorrect · 17/01/2023 11:49

He should know better given his cousins condition

Samcro · 17/01/2023 11:55

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wow massive PA

Enko · 17/01/2023 11:57

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 11:40

Where are you getting these quotes from? I think Harry would have mentioned her comments if he was aware of them (if they happened at all)… what about all the other women I listed in my post, have you got a justification for Harry being an arse about them?

It is in the book " The queen" by Andrew Morton.

It has also been commented on many other places that Margaret had great hatred for Diana Princess of Wales and Sarah Duchess of York. Feeling they had ruined the family.

I apologise for the newsweek link I simply did a quick google but here

In my post, I said, "with regards to Margaret I would give him a pass". I didn't justify the comments for the others as I do not justify them.

This does not mean I am not able to see that media press were insulting towards Meghan. Nor does it mean I am incapable of seeing that some reasons for dislike towards other people can be due to that persons behavior. In the case of Princess M I feel Harry has every right.

With regards to how he behaved towards Queen Camilla and others I have seen nothing from any of them that suggests they deserved the sort of comments he made. Hence I did NOT comment on them.

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 12:04

Enko · 17/01/2023 11:57

It is in the book " The queen" by Andrew Morton.

It has also been commented on many other places that Margaret had great hatred for Diana Princess of Wales and Sarah Duchess of York. Feeling they had ruined the family.

I apologise for the newsweek link I simply did a quick google but here

In my post, I said, "with regards to Margaret I would give him a pass". I didn't justify the comments for the others as I do not justify them.

This does not mean I am not able to see that media press were insulting towards Meghan. Nor does it mean I am incapable of seeing that some reasons for dislike towards other people can be due to that persons behavior. In the case of Princess M I feel Harry has every right.

With regards to how he behaved towards Queen Camilla and others I have seen nothing from any of them that suggests they deserved the sort of comments he made. Hence I did NOT comment on them.

I don’t think Margaret’s comments at Diana’s funeral are particularly bad to be honest. Clearly there was no love lost. That’s what makes it so odd he returns to her as figure in the book again and again and that bloody biro again and again. I don’t know why you have brought Meghan in to it but glad you can agree Harry has been an unadulterated misogynist towards the other women I have mentioned.

babsanderson · 17/01/2023 12:09

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/01/2023 10:53

I'd imagine that rather depends on how reasonable your request is.

Can you give me the figures for widget production? sure, just let me run that one off.

Can you bring us that tiara? we need it pronto because wife to be's hairdresser can only fit her in today. Yes I KNOW you are on holiday and that we need to give you notice to get the thing out of the vault and arrange security and take it to the salon and we haven't done that, but do you know who I AM and you're supposed to jump when we say so? Probably not so much.

None of us know which it is. But even of someone makes an unreasonable request of me while on holiday they will get me my out of office message saying I am on annual leave, when I am back, and who to contact if it is something urgent.

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Ohnonevermind · 17/01/2023 12:11

@babsanderson

do you think the queen emailed her clothing requests to Angela 😀

Lizziet64 · 17/01/2023 12:11

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Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 12:15

Ohnonevermind · 17/01/2023 12:11

@babsanderson

do you think the queen emailed her clothing requests to Angela 😀

Exactly!!! This whole email/out of office distraction is ridiculous. It’s not a firm of accountants fgs. @babsanderson is determined to make this episode a racist one against Meghan despite there being absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever

babsanderson · 17/01/2023 12:15

@Lizziet64 What Harry said was clearly wrong. But he was an eight year old. We are mostly mothers here and know our children say things that are very wrong, but we deal with that and teach them better.

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Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 12:19

@babsanderson he wasn’t 8. He was 12/13. He still doesn’t seem to think there is anything wrong with his behaviour as he hasn’t expressed any remorse or embarrassment.

Ohnonevermind · 17/01/2023 12:20

@babsanderson

He didn’t write the book when he was 8 years old, he’s written the book as an adult