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Strangest bits in Spare…

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Motorcycleemptyness · 15/01/2023 22:59

i haven’t quite finished it yet but I wanted to read a thread about some of the weirder bits of Spare, and I haven’t seen a thread where people were discussing those without the ‘H&M’ vs the rest of the RF debate. There are definitely some parts which have made me really question why they were included, and I was wondering if anyone else had any similar thoughts.

The inclusion of the imagery of the poppy fields, and how heroin funds the Taliban. Fair enough. We all know that. The rest of the book is one long ode to posh people taking drugs. Does Prince Harry think the cocaine he takes is gently knitted by fairies and delivered to him by unicorns? Do the drugs he takes not contribute to war and terrorism and misery across the rest of the world (and indeed misery and crime in the UK, where he is 5th in line to be monarch!) I found this quite a strange passage and I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts, or am I just over thinking it?

Elizabeth Arden cream. ‘Mummy’s lips’. ‘Todger’. Why? But really, why? Why was this included? Why did anyone think it or commit it to paper, and then publish it? Why did I read it? Why am I typing it here? ARGH.

What he actually thinks the relationship between the royal family and the press should actually be. Only reporting true things? Someone had a photo of him taking cocaine. Dressed as a nazi. Calling his colleague a ‘P*ki’. He wasn’t happy, but it was all true. Should journalists not be allowed to report true things? Or should they only be reporting things he wants them to report? Does Andrew get to choose that too? What about everyone else?

What the actual royal family should look like. This was mind bending. He seems to be perfectly happy with the idea of the monarchy, an institution which is predicated on the idea that they’re inherently superior to the rest of us, and that’s their birth right, but seems to massively struggle to apply that to himself and William. If a monarchy is the best system, why shouldn’t the heir be treated differently to the spare? (I don’t believe it is the best system and wish we could abolish them all but I don’t understand how one can believe one but not the other!).

Anyone else have any interesting thoughts?

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Maireas · 16/01/2023 11:45

Harry definitely has the Mountbatten eyes and nose.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 16/01/2023 11:45

Agree. And he has his dads eyes and nose.

And looking at that photo, ears!

Sugarfree23 · 16/01/2023 11:47

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/01/2023 11:30

@Patineur indeed. Obviously part of his role is to ensure there is a successor should his brother die - but that is a centuries old tradition where their heir to the throne would feasibly die young in battle or from illness - not to be a literal organ donor to keep the heir alive. But that is the case for all Royals in the immediate line of succession.

It's not that long ago that the Spare ended up with the crown, ie the Queens father.
And young people do still die, not so much from battles, as fantastic as modern medicine is young people do still die from cancers and other illnesses.

Ridemeginger · 16/01/2023 11:48

Mingmoo · 16/01/2023 09:45

One of the weirdest bits for me was Meghan eating fajitas and dancing while in labour with Lillibet. I threw up constantly in labour for my first child and was utterly nauseated with the second one, plus I had a very badly upset stomach. The way he describes her birth is really odd and vague. (I know there are lots of rumours about one or both kids being surrogate and I'm inclined to file that under internet paranoia but it jarred for me.)

It's the Cool Girl fantasy from Gone Girl.
Compare and contrast with Kate's experience, no doubt.

F4chrissakes · 16/01/2023 11:48

I read the stories about the fake bump pregnancy and took them with a pinch of salt, especially when Meghan appeared at the Disney thing they blew off the Royal Marines memorial thing for, when she looked like she was still carrying a bit of post baby chub. But I wonder now......she was what, 38 when they got married in 2018. Archie was born in May 2019 and Lillibet was born in June 2021 with a miscarriage in between. So 3 pregnancies in a little under 3 years. I thought fertility declined sharpish for women over 35? So surrogacy or at least assisted conception is not too outlandish an idea, is it?

Fanacapan · 16/01/2023 11:49

My son wrote a paper on Saviour Siblings for his degree, with input from an NHS specialist. It is a thing in the UK! Mostly for bone marrow etc rather than organs, but it does exist. I don’t for one moment think this applies to Harry though, but please don’t put the idea in his head! There’s going to be a second book isn’t there? 😬

TYNUZZLE · 16/01/2023 11:50

Harold looks like a psychopath on the book cover, the eyes and that half smile, creepy. The cover colour scheme and what he's wearing suggest his identity as a soldier, that should appeal to the US market but with all the revelations, is it that he sees himself as a freedom fighter, liberating the royal family even if he needs to fight in a war with them?

GloomyDarkness · 16/01/2023 11:55

taken the longstanding trope that a royal wife has done her duty when she has produced two male children (the heir and the spare)

I thought this was much more an aristocratic thing than a royal one - in that the fast set in Georgian times - dying out in moral Victorian era and then - again to Edwardian times in country houses - had view once wife had produced a second son - just in case first died - they were okay( (ish) to have affairs like their husbands.

Plus they wanted sons as titles go done male lines - usually - and if you run out of sons it can travel to obscure cousins and often the estates and money with it.

I didn't think it was really applied to Royalty - who tend to expect wives to be faithful and till relatively recently had many children.

There was an episode of embarrassing bodies with one child of four children who had really bad verruca's turned out there was a huge gap in her immune system - they tested all the family neither parents or two of the siblings were a bone marrow match - the only immediate family member was a brother. There was huge concern about the impact on the brother from doctors and the parents - about them donating and effects on them if they did and it didn't work.

dadadeedadada · 16/01/2023 11:58

@Patineur lol. I thought the photo on the book looks like one of those clay reconstructions of human evolution you see in museums.

GloomyDarkness · 16/01/2023 11:58

Pearsandclocks · 16/01/2023 11:43

Agree. And he has his dads eyes and nose.

I wouldn't have said nose - same eyes and chin as King Charles though.

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/01/2023 11:59

I think with Royals, often in the past when they would be in arranged dynastic marriages, often contracted when both parties were very young (mid teens was common) and they may not have met until their wedding day. Once the heir and the spare were produced it took the pressure off both parties to continue having sexual relations with someone they probably did not find attractive and may not have even liked.

Maireas · 16/01/2023 12:03

Meghan's book has yet to come, they'll need to check for discrepancies.

GloomyDarkness · 16/01/2023 12:04

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/01/2023 11:59

I think with Royals, often in the past when they would be in arranged dynastic marriages, often contracted when both parties were very young (mid teens was common) and they may not have met until their wedding day. Once the heir and the spare were produced it took the pressure off both parties to continue having sexual relations with someone they probably did not find attractive and may not have even liked.

They often wanted daughter to make dynastic political marriages with - so I'm not so sure that's true but would depend on couple and time period - possible also power of the church and families around them- I suppose.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 16/01/2023 12:05

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 16/01/2023 11:42

Thank you OhCrumbsWhereNow. What was the 'horsey-smelling' thing that he was referring to at the end of the page?

Here you go

Strangest bits in Spare…
SnowAndIceLobelia · 16/01/2023 12:08

Itstarts · 16/01/2023 10:18

2 injections is possible. I had a numbing injection before the epidural injection.

Yes, I also had this.

Never mind DH, I wanted to snog the anaethetist afterwards. Or maybe eat fajitas and dance.

SnowAndIceLobelia · 16/01/2023 12:10

(I am being facetious... I know her labour with her second might well have been different).

Libre2 · 16/01/2023 12:12

I haven’t purchased it yet - I am waiting a few months- I expect there will be a plethora in the charity shops soon enough.

It will be like when our local Oxfam did an entire window full of Dan Brown with a notice saying “we are sorry, we can’t accept any more donations of Dan Brown books”. I can just see it now - a whole window full of “Spare”.

bakalava · 16/01/2023 12:13

It's odd that LA narcs seem to be accompanied by a standard package of fibs and suitable topics. The ones I know also get competitive about births 😂 and lie about flights they have booked. It is really strange.

Ridemeginger · 16/01/2023 12:14

Reading this thread made me look at why Harry left the army (I think the short answer is, he could have stayed on as a trainer, was too much of a security risk for further combat, did not have the academic capacity for higher rank).

I found this Fail article from 2015 about why Harry quit the army and what he'll do next. Obviously, take it with the pinch of salt any of these articles deserve, but it is an incredibly positive and flattering piece on Harry.

I thought this was interesting: I have posited on another thread that someone put the "Spare" notion into his head, and I think that person was Diana; and also that there may have been some childish agreement between Willy and Harold that they would rule together. This article begins thus:

When William and Harry were small, Princess Diana insisted that if important photographs were being taken of the future king, his younger brother was also in the picture.

She even made a point of bringing Harry to William's first day at Eton so they could be photographed together and he wouldn't feel 'left out'.

Diana was anxious for Prince Harry to be included in everything. She wanted him to avoid the traditional fate of the second-son 'spare' in the Royal Family, left without a significant role while both position and estate (income from the Duchy of Cornwall as Prince of Wales, and from the Crown Estates as sovereign) went to the first-born son.

Perhaps, had she lived, she would have succeeded.

....

'In Prince Charles's view, the spotlight on William must fall just as brightly on Harry because he sees him as a key asset to the popularity of the Royal Family,' says a senior aide. 'He, too, wants him to have equal billing within the family.'

There is no question that around the world, especially in the more distant parts of the Commonwealth whose support for the monarchy could be crucial to its extended future, Harry is more popular than William. Surprisingly, perhaps, since William is heir to the throne and the one with the beautiful, commoner wife.

But the fact is, Harry's mischievous ways and engaging manner have made him the biggest royal draw since his mother.

'He possesses a natural manner when dealing with people, remembering names and looking them in the eye,' says a courtier. 'Not everyone can do that. William, for example, is not nearly so nimble on his feet as his brother.'

Charles, however, is desperate for his son not to make the same mistakes as his own younger brother, Andrew.

Who would have thought that the Duke of York, with his suspect friends and under-age sex accusations — which he has vehemently denied — could be the one whose tacky example helps set the benchmark and tone of the Royal Family of the future?

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His loyal staff, meanwhile, are working to ensure that there is a structure to Harry's coming months to prevent the 'second gap year' claims. His private secretary, Ed Lane Fox, for example, a laconic ex-Army officer, has helped the once notoriously thin-skinned Harry adjust more easily to criticism.

Lane Fox and Nick Loughran, the prince's press secretary, however, believe this is a narrative they can effectively handle. They also recognise that a prince so natural in front of the cameras will make a formidable fundraiser for any charity he should turn his mind to.

As Harry stands at what he admits is a 'crossroads' in his life, the world will be watching to see if this belief in him is well founded.

Princess Diana need not have worried. One way or another, the spotlight will now be on Harry whatever he does.

This was March 2015. A year or so later, Harry met Meghan.

Full article:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007014/Prince-Harry-left-Army-honour-mother-s-memory.html

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/01/2023 12:14

@GloomyDarkness true. Although I assume the production of a couple of male babies would ease a huge amount of pressure.

Of course in previous centuries a live healthy baby would not necessarily be expected to survive in to adult hood so I assume large amounts of children probably was the best outcome as far as royal families were concerned.

As an aside on the value of female children as brides for allies I recalled as I was watching Marie Antoinette on BBC 2 recently that Louis XV had a number of daughters who remained unmarried throughout their lives

Rhondaa · 16/01/2023 12:15

'He really does have some Mummy issues doesn’t he? You can understand why after losing her like that at such a young age but they are pretty extreme'

Tbh I think he'd be exactly the same damaged man he is even if his dm hadn't died.

It would of course be for different reasons, he'd have felt pushed out from whatever new life she had with a new man but people like Harry are just a self fulfilling prophecy. Whatever their trigger or their list of grievances. He was always going to be angry, jealous and resentful.

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 16/01/2023 12:25

Agree with so many things here. Most astonishing for me the complete lack of self awareness for a so called humanitarian and philanthropist. Constant complaining about accommodation:
-flat at KP was too dark
-Nott Cott was too small and low ceilings
-small bedroom at Balmoral
-Camilla turned his bedroom at Highgate into a dressing room

so boring, he lives in complete privilege and still manages to moan about everything.

GloomyDarkness · 16/01/2023 12:27

As an aside on the value of female children as brides for allies I recalled as I was watching Marie Antoinette on BBC 2 recently that Louis XV had a number of daughters who remained unmarried throughout their lives

French throne was inheritance only though male line which might not have helped- but I looked them up and it seem to be a range of reasons for them not marrying.

www.historyofroyalwomen.com/marie-leszczynska/daughters-marie-leszczynska-louis-xv-france/

I had thought George III daughter's didn't marry till much Regent got control - but it seems they did.

It doesn't always seem that easy to make royal matches - so much extra complications surrounds them.

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 16/01/2023 12:29

Also why can young teenagers get away so easily with smoking weed at Eton? Raises a lot of questions for me on privilege…

Farmageddon · 16/01/2023 12:35

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 16/01/2023 10:37

Unfortunately not...

Hang on, so in this bit he's basically saying that William and Kate are happy together and good for each other.

But doesn't he also insinuate later on that theirs was a marriage of convenience, and William didn't really love her or something? (sorry haven't read the book).

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