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Kate being ‘prioritised’ over Meg by dress designer?

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ToughTalker · 14/01/2023 20:19

Apparently Meg said ‘but she’s not even Queen’!

This is just hilarious - a not very well known actress with a secondary role in a Canadian TV show thought she was on a par with a future Queen and mother of a future King after being in the RF for a few minutes. This was early in the relationship as well.

Seems like the old green eyes was at the crux of all this nonsense after all!

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oreste · 15/01/2023 16:18

You realise that Meghan is not a deity, right?

PurpleBurglarAlarm · 15/01/2023 16:20

Serenster · 14/01/2023 22:53

I’m not mad about this. I really don’t think my eyes could have coped with two Duchesses wearing this dress… 🤣

Ooh that’s deliciously and unashamedly hideous! 😂

hoooops · 15/01/2023 16:20

*We were just discussing how papers lie though. But that in turn puts a hole in the claim that all "palace sources" are approved leaks from his family.

The press lie. Lots.*

Plus journalists uncover stories that neither party wants revealed. They have their own sources that are anonymous and unofficial.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/01/2023 16:21

I had a friend who was a well known designer. One of her clients was Diana POW. One of the other royal brides of the era ( not Sophie) asked/ told the designer that she would buy her stuff if she agreed to have her as her only royal client ( so turning down Diana).

When she told me this we both had a good laugh.

AliceOlive · 15/01/2023 16:37

It almost sounds like there was some family version of geek social fallacy at play with both Harry and Meghan. She thought she could treat the Queen like any old grandma, because she was Harry’s grandma. He at least explained to her that was not the case.

Harry thought William would automatically be comfortable with Meghan because he was, so didn’t bother to let her know a first meeting would be more formal. I don’t think she needed to curtesy, but what a huge mistake it was to treat W&K with such familiarity instead of taking her cue from their body language. First impressions are everything. She had to feel foolish and this probably set the tone for their relationship on both sides. I just think it’s shocking because she seems smarter/more worldly than to think everyone is comfortable with strangers hugging them.

blubberyboo · 15/01/2023 17:02

AliceOlive · 15/01/2023 16:37

It almost sounds like there was some family version of geek social fallacy at play with both Harry and Meghan. She thought she could treat the Queen like any old grandma, because she was Harry’s grandma. He at least explained to her that was not the case.

Harry thought William would automatically be comfortable with Meghan because he was, so didn’t bother to let her know a first meeting would be more formal. I don’t think she needed to curtesy, but what a huge mistake it was to treat W&K with such familiarity instead of taking her cue from their body language. First impressions are everything. She had to feel foolish and this probably set the tone for their relationship on both sides. I just think it’s shocking because she seems smarter/more worldly than to think everyone is comfortable with strangers hugging them.

I think a lot of this was the truth. I get the impression Harry was drowning in his own mental health issues and then became blinded by love for Meghan that he made her completely unprepared for Royal life before he proposed. He just got carried away with the high of it all and he needs to take a lot of accountability for this in his words.

I also think she considers herself worldly but to her the worlds borders stop at North America. She hasn’t learned the cultural difference and 6 years later seems no more clued in.

bakalava · 15/01/2023 17:10

I think she is an opportunist who exploited his mental health problems. She minored in International Studies and worked and visited several countries. She only owned up to understanding other cultural contexts when it was to her advantage. It was not to her advantage to admit that she had charged in trying to change the RF through forceful methods , failed, been called out and run away.

luckylavender · 15/01/2023 18:11

SpaceshiptoMars · 14/01/2023 21:17

Just imagine joining a family where you find out you're expected to curtsey to your SIL. Can you see where the AIBU threads here would end up going? What proportion of family threads on here are already banging on about difficult SILs?

It must seem utterly bonkers to Americans.

It may seem bonkers and many of us think it's bonkers but it is what it is. Ultimately Harry should ask himself if he prepared his wife well enough. Because there are so many things they've both talked about where I've thought he's been lax.

SpaceshiptoMars · 15/01/2023 18:24

@luckylavender Yes, it was Harry's job, but also Harry's normal. Unless the situation had come up before with a previous girlfriend, he lacked the ability to imagine it from an American's point of view. And I can't imagine it would have crossed Meghan's mind either - outside her experience completely.

It's unfortunate, but young lovers, and even older lovers, pay scant attention to their future in-laws until they're in, knee-deep!

luckylavender · 15/01/2023 18:29

SpaceshiptoMars · 15/01/2023 18:24

@luckylavender Yes, it was Harry's job, but also Harry's normal. Unless the situation had come up before with a previous girlfriend, he lacked the ability to imagine it from an American's point of view. And I can't imagine it would have crossed Meghan's mind either - outside her experience completely.

It's unfortunate, but young lovers, and even older lovers, pay scant attention to their future in-laws until they're in, knee-deep!

But there are so many examples. The first time she met the Queen. The cringe of meeting William & hugging him. Everything.

Ohnonevermind · 15/01/2023 18:34

Meghan is used to meeting producers and directors, the idea that she just strolls in without research is rather silly.

This after all was the role of a lifetime

Diverseopinions · 15/01/2023 20:39

luckylavender · 15/01/2023 18:11

It may seem bonkers and many of us think it's bonkers but it is what it is. Ultimately Harry should ask himself if he prepared his wife well enough. Because there are so many things they've both talked about where I've thought he's been lax.

The irony is, that like much with Meghan, she went on to channel the opposite vibe. She has monogrammed door mats and wants to be known as the Duchess of Sussex and wants the most elevated title possible for her children.

I might have got this wrong, but didn't Harry say, over the Erdem dresses, that Meghan had said to him 'And she's not even a Queen!' about Catherine, showing Meghan is impressed by the distinctions of title and thinks it is all right to bags dresses, if you're the top Queen Bee.

I don't think the ripped jeans is about etiquette. I think Meghan adopted a natural, kind of ingenuous, 'Shucks! This is happening to little ol' me' persona, when she got engaged to Harry. He thought of the match, I think, like she was Kim or Kylie Kardashian, or Miss World, a glamorous trophy for him. He said, in his own words, family didn't expect him to get with a glamorous actress with a successful career, meaning a stunning, celebrity beauty.

I always saw pictures of Meghan looking sexy and glamorous, before this time when she got engaged. I can't think of many people as alluring and stunning as her, when she wants to channel the sensual siren vibe. She has lovely smouldering features and colouring. She's a muse, for any great artist. She's like Emma Lady Hamilton, Nell Gwynne and other great beauties of their day, no doubt, when she's doing that look.

And she's an actress and wants to channel different vibes.

That's ok. I think she went for the girl next door look, when she did early interviews with Harry, or had engagement photos taken. I think the ripped jeans was part of that: too informal, but a breath of fresh air, she thought people would feel. That's ok, but she just doesn't do role play well. It's always so obvious what she's trying to achieve. She's trying to look the opposite of how she looked before her engagement, to balance out the vibe.. She's thinking, 'People will think I'm after his money and a title, so I'll act very naive and clueless.' That's what all that 'Pleasure to meet you!' to the Queen and falling over doing a deep curtsey was about. But everyone sees through it, and think she is rather faking, because she's a crap actress, in real life.

None of this is problematic. It's only the leaving the Royal Family and dictating terms which is. And the running William and especially, Catherine, down is very bad.

I don't think Harry wanted to explain etiquette. He wanted to be an enfant terrible of the Royal Family, who had just brought the equivalent of Brigette Bardot, to meet his folks. He liked being a rogue royal. He probably never considered the wider implications beyond how he'd look with a beautiful woman on his arm. He didn't bother - ever in his life - about his own behaviour and not confirming, so why would he care what others said about hers.

TheRedLip · 15/01/2023 21:03

Blufelt · 15/01/2023 05:59

This whole debacle has basically been about Meg not liking the fact that being a duchess is not the same as being an A list celebrity. She was salty about having to undertake duties and annoyed that many of the perks of celebrity were forbidden. She wants top billing and didn’t like being further down the list of importance, which is where she would always be in the RF.

Exactly this. And ultimately it makes me sorry for Meghan. She'd never made it in Hollywood, never became an A Lister or even a B Lister for that matter. The pinnacle of her achievement was playing the eye candy in a second string Canadian show. And even that was coming to an end because of her age.

I genuinely believe that she confused joining the royal family with finally becoming a Hollywood A Lister with the added benefits of living in a fairytale castle. And Harry was so besotted with her that he didn't dare tell her the realities of the situation.

ReneBumsWombats · 15/01/2023 21:14

I wish people wouldn't downplay Meghan's achievements. That role was more than most actors and actresses ever get, however talented they are. Acting is an unbelievably hard industry. There literally aren't enough roles to go round. A starring role in a successful TV show is nothing to be sniffed at.

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:16

I agree a starring role in a regular show is a real achievement for an actor.

The number of A lister actors is absolutely tiny. If she had been an A lister she would not have come into Harry's orbit at all and he would have had zero chance with her.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/01/2023 21:17

I’m getting tired of a lot of this but I must say I am HERE for the threads about their clothes. What an excellent excuse to post pictures of two women with enormous resources at their disposal dressed to the nines.

smileladiesplease · 15/01/2023 21:24

Well both H and M are a thick as mince they have demonstrated that. Any criticism of him Is deflected by ' mummy died' and her is 'I am black so you are racist '

Bores the both of them.

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:25

@smileladiesplease That is a very nasty thing to say about total strangers.

milti · 16/01/2023 17:48

True though

Diverseopinions · 17/01/2023 18:50

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:16

I agree a starring role in a regular show is a real achievement for an actor.

The number of A lister actors is absolutely tiny. If she had been an A lister she would not have come into Harry's orbit at all and he would have had zero chance with her.

That rather suggests that actors are all shallow, which might not be at all fair. Some mega actors like homely types. I'm sure actors also realise they are as good as their last film and don't have a guarantee of enduring appeal.

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