Kate being ‘prioritised’ over Meg by dress designer?

[ToughTalker]

Apparently Meg said ‘but she’s not even Queen’!

This is just hilarious - a not very well known actress with a secondary role in a Canadian TV show thought she was on a par with a future Queen and mother of a future King after being in the RF for a few minutes. This was early in the relationship as well.

Seems like the old green eyes was at the crux of all this nonsense after all!

Surely as an actress she would already be aware of this - Meghan markle goes to visit x designer but Julia Roberts (for example) also rings the same designer - she would have got pumped down the designers priority list whilst she was in suits etc. This isn't unknown to actresses/ singers/ models/ celebrities, there's a hierarchy there. Its not like she Meghan from Coventry who works at Asda.

They should move onto competing over another designer. Neither looks good in his clothes. Kate is a high end designer's dream figure-wise but she does not look good in his clothes. Meghan, the opposite because of her non-model, odd measurements. The clothes look great in pictures but they would suit somebody like Rania, at a push.

I'm not sure anyone can look good as a 1973 mustard sofa.

I quite like these two, and I liked the black and white one upthread which various royals have worn. But overall Erdem definitely has more misses than hits for Kate IMO

My taste is far from minimalist simplicity - it's not that I hate florals or bold prints - but some of them are horrid

Seems utterly bonkers to me and I’m not American 😂

I do find it interesting the outrage caused when people don’t see themselves as inherently ‘less than’ the royals. I think it’s sad but amazing that they’ve managed to convince such a lot of people that they’re inherently better than us, more special than us, worth of better treatment.

They are no different than you and I, except that they are out of touch and extremely entitled. There is no reason why you should feel you (or anyone else) just bow and scrape and curtesy to show extra respect to these people. They are not worthy of any respect above and beyond that which you’d show a doctor, a carer, a lollipop lady, the man who works in the corner shop etc. In fact I’d say they’re worth even less respect because all those people mentioned above serve you in some way and the royals do not.

@Kanaloa completely agree. All the sycophantic fawning over the royals, putting them on a pedestal etc, being "outraged" at M & H etc. Really strange behaviour.

Not a fan of curtseying either, would be perfectly happy for that to bugger off tbh.

I’d imagine that for most designers if not all, there would be a hierarchy of clients and as an actress Meghan would have known this well. As in Scarlett Johansson would have been higher up the list than MM in her suits days. Though, obviously she’d be higher now. It’s the way of that world and completely expected

There is a hierarchy in Hollywood which is widely reported, certain actresses get first looks at dresses via their stylists.

kate was obviously getting first look too and Meghan wasn’t happy.

It’s the way of the world. It makes sense that the comment ‘that Meghan has her own fashion contacts’ though

Kate has a body that would make designer clothes look far better. Meghan has a very short torso and is squarer. If I was a dress designer I would prioritise the one who made my clothes ( and some of Erdems are bloody hideous) look their very best. The fact that Kate is a more senior member of a hugely photographed family would also be a factor in my choice .Meghan married the second son. Sadly, as an American, she possibly didn't realise what that actually meant in reality.

Your imagining a lot there ....

Kate has a long torso though, Meghan a short one. So neither has the proportions needed if you want to be a high fashion model (this is not meant as an insult to either, it’s just a fact. Everybody has a different shape - I myself also have a long torso!).

So Kate looks good in a lot of clothes, but if she ignores her proportions and wears something drop-waisted (as she has done), they do not flatter her at all. Exactly the same is true of Meghan. Plenty of things she has worn suit her proportions and looked great on her.

And back to the article - it starts off from the premise that Meghan had been frustrated in the past because her lack of status in the Hollywood pecking order want she hadn’t been able to access the designers or the fashion she would have liked to. So yes, she would completely have understood the idea of hierarchies in that regard. It sounds like she was frustrated that having married a Prince, she still wasn’t top dog. (A top dog, absolutely. But not The top dog. And, to be fair, neither was Kate, but the Queen and Camilla weren’t fishing in the same fashion waters as her 😀).

You don't need to try and force them into some kind of equality bind. 🙄

Fashion isn't the kind of industry which requires it.
Kate has a better figure. She also has the height and the grace to pull off expensive clothes and make them look good. Any designer would prefer to dress Kate. I am not a fan of Kate or Meghan but it is deranged to imply that they are both disadvantaged.

I once appeared in the local paper in an entirely fabricated interview with made up quotes. I was out of the country and not in mobile range so the journalist was unable to speak to me, and went to print anyway.

That journalist is now a senior BBC correspondent.

I can’t read Telegraph stuff (it’s all paywalled where I am). But re the curtsying and other formalities within the family, it seems like Harry wasn’t the greatest resource:

On introducing Meghan to the Queen (Spare, Sec 3, Chapter 15): '... as we neared Royal Lodge I got word on my phone. Granny was there. She’d popped in. On her way from church back to the castle. Meg said: "Fun! I love grandmas." I asked if she knew how to curtsy. She said she thought so. But she also couldn’t tell if I was serious. "You’re about to meet the Queen.” "I know, but it’s your grandma." "But she’s the Queen.”'

On introducing Meghan to William (Sec 3 Chapter 16): 'I introduced Meg, who leaned in and gave him a hug, which completely freaked him out. He recoiled. Willy didn’t hug many strangers. Whereas Meg hugged most strangers. The moment was a classic collision of cultures, like flashlight-torch, which felt to me both funny and charming. Later, however, looking back, I wondered if it was more than that. Maybe Willy expected Meg to curtsy? It would’ve been protocol when meeting a member of the Royal Family for the first time, but she didn’t know, and I didn’t tell her. When meeting my grandmother, I’d made it clear—this is the Queen. But when meeting my brother, it was just Willy, who loved Suits.'

On introducing Meghan to Charles and Camilla (Sec 3, Chapter 17): 'There, at last, on the landing above us, stood Pa. Beside him stood Camilla. Meg and I had rehearsed this moment several times. "For Pa, curtsy. Say, Your Royal Highness, or Sir. Maybe a kiss on each cheek if he leans in, otherwise a handshake. For Camilla, no curtsy. Not necessary. Just a quick kiss or handshake." "No curtsy? You sure?" I didn’t think it appropriate.'

To someone from a society without royals, aristos, nobles, etc., it must be a confusing situation: meeting members of The Royal Family in a private social setting AND as your partner's grandmother, brother, dad, stepmother, etc. Even if Meghan knew the formal protocols, it's not clear that there's agreement even within the family when and how strictly they should be followed.

Royals aside, I think psychologically it's easy to acquiesce to doing things that maybe seem a bit formal or old-fashioned in order to humour a partner's elderly grandparent or 60-something parent. It's likely a bit more of a surprise/adjustment if it's their 30-something sibling and family.

If you are talking to me bakalava, I’m not trying to to force them into any kind of “equality bind”. You can observe their different figures quite easily. Kate’s long waist is easier to work with than Meghan’s short waist, but both mean that neither woman will suit everything they may wish to wear.

See below for a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Kate is tall and willowy, yes. But she can’t get away with a dropped waist like this. It makes her waist look ridiculously long and her legs stumpy (they are not, of course).

So we do believe everything in the papers - the bits reported by royal sources at least unless they were mentioned in Harry's book because none of that is true especially about there being briefings against anyone by royal sources.

If it's in the Telegraph it's even more true.

Anything negative about H&M = definitely true.

Anything negative about K or W = a lie to hurt William and the royals.

@ToughTalker you are absolutely deluded if you don't think papers lie.

The quote about meeting Pa and Camilla is interesting. I'm happy to be corrected but I think the protocol he advised her to follow for Charles was correct, but not for Camilla

It kind of sounds like he used Meghan to make a point - and it would have been very obvious and probably uncomfortable.

As I say not a huge fan of the whole curtseying shiz, but telling her to only do it to one of them seems bad form.

We were just discussing how papers lie though. But that in turn puts a hole in the claim that all "palace sources" are approved leaks from his family.

The press lie. Lots.

Males bow.

Usually, Royals try to dress for the part, like a smart uniform, to honour the ordinary volunteers whom they are meeting and thanking. I don't think Princess Anne would be bothered about whether she lived a designer. Good old Princess Anne.

Ha!

We know the way the fashion industry works and we know the way seniority in the RF works

this is ‘reality’ not imagination.

This would have worked the same way with Diana and Sarah

Ha ha ..How trivial to retell this or even to notice this or to harbour resentment or jealousy when a designer chooses to prioritise his clients. It's up to him. Why not feel grateful that you are dressed by him?

Frankly, Meghan is so beautiful, she would still look OK in a mouldy sack. Kate is more girl next door with excellent grooming, so the designer clothes are more of a job requirement <hides>.

Anyway, the RF work their way. In other life we all know people kowtow to the most beautiful....

You realise that Kate middleton is not a deity, right?