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Has Harry taken any responsibility for anything?

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Flakjacketon · 11/01/2023 07:17

I haven't read Spare - I will do when I can get it from the library - so my knowledge of the content comes from the media - in all it's forms.

What is coming across in reports, is that Harry and Meghan are complete innocents who were, cruelly, driven out of the Family by jealousy - amongst other things

Has has he taken responsibility for anything that happened even in a small way?

Also, he wants his father and brother back but the ball is in the court of the RF. How can that happen? How can the RF have an open relationship with H&M, knowing that anything that is said could end up in another book or Netflix film.

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Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 13:09

How can "I killed 25" be improved by any "context"?

(sigh) I’ve already explained this down thread BadgerB

He said it was “his number”
and how modern artillery equipment doesn’t allow you to forget it.

In no way was he saying “whoo hoo look how many I have bagged!” which is the tabloid interpretation . It was the opposite of that; he was reflecting on the guilt and cost to your mental health of killing.

Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 13:12

And why are so many people saying Harry is still looking at his life through the eyes of a child?

He’s written an autobiography fhs! That tends to involve reflecting back on your childhood and connecting events from then to the present day. Nothing remotely unusual about that!

Dobby123456 · 11/01/2023 13:22

JoyPeaceHealth · 11/01/2023 12:44

@Felix01 yeh, he's telling himself 25 times a day ''I've not been heard'' and don't misunderstand me, I know the pain of that. But what he is telling himself is hurting him. He needs to focus on knowing that he has his own experience that he trusts and stop attempting to make others hear him. It doesn't work (I know, I tried). I think a better therapist would be telling him that his perspective doesn't need to be endorsed. He needs to start telling him self that he is free to move forward and that he can live with the royal family's opinions of him.

I've been stuck in that loop too. It's horrible - your self-esteem and even sense of reality depending on other people. Almost always people try to help by saying 'are you sure it happened quite like that' or with the Oprah Winfrey 'They said what!'. What else can they say? When psycotherapy sells us this story where there are answers, solutions, clarity and resolutions, I think it becomes destructive rather than helpful in moving on.

MarshaBradyo · 11/01/2023 13:22

Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 13:09

How can "I killed 25" be improved by any "context"?

(sigh) I’ve already explained this down thread BadgerB

He said it was “his number”
and how modern artillery equipment doesn’t allow you to forget it.

In no way was he saying “whoo hoo look how many I have bagged!” which is the tabloid interpretation . It was the opposite of that; he was reflecting on the guilt and cost to your mental health of killing.

I thought ex military had still said it wrong even without boasting element.

Dobby123456 · 11/01/2023 13:26

Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 13:09

How can "I killed 25" be improved by any "context"?

(sigh) I’ve already explained this down thread BadgerB

He said it was “his number”
and how modern artillery equipment doesn’t allow you to forget it.

In no way was he saying “whoo hoo look how many I have bagged!” which is the tabloid interpretation . It was the opposite of that; he was reflecting on the guilt and cost to your mental health of killing.

Which tabloid? Every newspaper I've read quotes him as saying he's neither ashamed nor boasting - it's quite clear he's talking about managing his feelings around a difficult subjec.t However, he's revealed his number and also that he coped with the potential guilty of having taken human life by thinking of people as chess pieces. That information is out there and people are going to put a spin on it, whether the press do or not. I blame the ghost writer, who probably asked him probing questions and then wrote this irresponsible bit garbage.

Blossomtoes · 11/01/2023 13:29

MarshaBradyo · 11/01/2023 13:22

I thought ex military had still said it wrong even without boasting element.

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They have. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do and doubling down and trying to defend it as a veteran suicide deterrent is monumentally stupid. He obviously hasn’t read what other veterans are actually saying.

Mark19735 · 11/01/2023 13:38

I think he has shown commendable honesty and accountability. Would be nice if some of the keyboard warriors here did the same.
What's your number for defamatory, abusive, ill-informed, prejudiced posts? What's your number for anonymous strangers that you've upset to the point of tears/self-harm by posting bile all over the internet?
Anyone wanna claim credit for Caroline Flack? I bet at least some of the posters here contributed to the same threads that pushed her over the edge. Proud of yourselves much?
Or maybe you are the ones who are truly unaccountable, able to post what you like free of any responsibility, shame or guilt, and can continue to pretend in real life that you aren't a racist, class-obsessed, febrile pathetic loser.

Fizbosshoes · 11/01/2023 13:43

He has undoubtedly had a traumatic experience with the sudden death of his mother and the funeral and all that followed. William is rarely given the same sympathy despite being only 2 years older (I think it fitted the young child v mature adult narrative - as opposed to "nearly 13 and just turned 15" - because at the time of the funeral the height difference was very noticeable)

Growing up, grieving, making teenage mistakes all in the public eye would be very distressing especially if you feel you are being made a scapegoat for the rest of your family. And without a parent you felt closest to.

I can understand writing a book telling things from your own perspective would be cathartic.

However expecting your family to be open, forgiving snd agreeable to a private reconciliation when you've shared intimate and personal incidents of their lives, and portrayed them in a less than flattering light, is possibly unrealistic.

And the book and related interviews are giving plenty of material to the press (from the horses mouth)...that he moved to get away from...

BadgerB · 11/01/2023 15:20

Tripofalifetime343 · Today 13:09
How can "I killed 25" be improved by any "context"?
(sigh) I’ve already explained this down thread BadgerB
He said it was “his number”
and how modern artillery equipment doesn’t allow you to forget it.

Maybe he couldn't forget it. There was no compulsion for him to put it in his book. No "context" involved either

Crabo · 11/01/2023 15:29

Fizbosshoes · 11/01/2023 13:43

He has undoubtedly had a traumatic experience with the sudden death of his mother and the funeral and all that followed. William is rarely given the same sympathy despite being only 2 years older (I think it fitted the young child v mature adult narrative - as opposed to "nearly 13 and just turned 15" - because at the time of the funeral the height difference was very noticeable)

Growing up, grieving, making teenage mistakes all in the public eye would be very distressing especially if you feel you are being made a scapegoat for the rest of your family. And without a parent you felt closest to.

I can understand writing a book telling things from your own perspective would be cathartic.

However expecting your family to be open, forgiving snd agreeable to a private reconciliation when you've shared intimate and personal incidents of their lives, and portrayed them in a less than flattering light, is possibly unrealistic.

And the book and related interviews are giving plenty of material to the press (from the horses mouth)...that he moved to get away from...

Problem is this sort of angry tell all stuff is never cathartic no matter how much we might lie to ourselves it is. You just look at the guys eyes during the interview and you can see he has not got any peace at all. Can you get peace by forgiveness not by splurging everybody else’s perceived sins all over the place

BadgerB · 11/01/2023 16:22

H is reminding me more and more of Harry Enfield's Kevin the Teenager....

GFP · 11/01/2023 23:25

Mark19735 · 11/01/2023 13:38

I think he has shown commendable honesty and accountability. Would be nice if some of the keyboard warriors here did the same.
What's your number for defamatory, abusive, ill-informed, prejudiced posts? What's your number for anonymous strangers that you've upset to the point of tears/self-harm by posting bile all over the internet?
Anyone wanna claim credit for Caroline Flack? I bet at least some of the posters here contributed to the same threads that pushed her over the edge. Proud of yourselves much?
Or maybe you are the ones who are truly unaccountable, able to post what you like free of any responsibility, shame or guilt, and can continue to pretend in real life that you aren't a racist, class-obsessed, febrile pathetic loser.

So when’s the book coming out?

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