Has Harry taken any responsibility for anything?

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I haven't read Spare - I will do when I can get it from the library - so my knowledge of the content comes from the media - in all it's forms.

What is coming across in reports, is that Harry and Meghan are complete innocents who were, cruelly, driven out of the Family by jealousy - amongst other things

Has has he taken responsibility for anything that happened even in a small way?

Also, he wants his father and brother back but the ball is in the court of the RF. How can that happen? How can the RF have an open relationship with H&M, knowing that anything that is said could end up in another book or Netflix film.

Tom asked if he is any way responsible and think he said (paraphrasing) ‘of course and me and M are ready to apologise for anything we’ve done but every time we have asked there is silence’.

So verbally he takes responsibility/is ready to apologise but is quick to qualify there isn’t anything to apologise for. I don’t know what that means for where fault is.

What I will say is it reminds me a lot of a situation in my family; everyone is so entrenched in the perception of their truth it’s never been reconciled and the longer it goes on people (unwittingly or otherwise) view history through the current state of relations so it only gets worse. You can hear it playing out with H, all those small things that happened as a child are now part of the narrative whether related or not. Very typical sibling rivalry as children is now playing into the ‘heir and spare’ dynamics. Maybe it’s related maybe it’s not but in H’s mind it’s all the same because he’s viewing a 12 and 14 year old in very different circumstances to his current relationship with his brother.

What I would also say is the comments about KC not being a hugger or affectionate etc. From what I’ve read KC was mercilessly bullied at schools and had difficult relations with his own family when wanting/needing emotional support. He’s a victim too, or product of his upbringing at the very least, and so whilst Harry can describe what it felt like for him to have an ‘absent father’ you can’t project how other people should be. You can’t ‘blame’ KC as he’s obviously got a shit ton of baggage too like a lot of people. This doesn’t diminish H’s real experience.

Of course the media will take quotes which can paint a different picture from the full context. However Harry is also focusing on certain criticisms and ignoring others and so both are trying to portray things as they wish. People have criticised him giving out a kill number regardless of context.

Tripofalifetime343 · Today 11:03

the main focus of his work is veterans.
The majority of whom are roundly condemning him and, in come cases, saying this passage of the book has triggered them. So that’s gone well.

Yes because, as per usual, the tabloids have extracted his words from the context and reported that. And the veterans are reacted to the tabloid version; which is rather proving Harry’s point!

How can "I killed 25" be improved by any "context"?

Harry's response when Tom Bradby asked if he'd done anything wrong or made any mistakes was "I''m still waiting for someone to tell me."

Sums it up really.

He's incapable of any responsibility or reflection.

The nazi uniform was W and K's idea. The racist P* comment was unconscious bias, the racism accusation against the RF was created by the media etc etc etc.

He's a deluded fool on a downward spiral blaming everyone but himself and his wife.

The RF have not written books or exposed Harry. They might have planted stories but they would have needed some fact (no smoke without fire) and the media stories come and go. What he has done is so much worse and he really has come out of this way way worse off

The British press reported it very accurately. I haven't read the book, but I'd already gathered from the press that Harry wasn't boasting about his kill - he'd said he was neither proud nor ashamed. Nevertheless, many miliary person think he was very foolish to put a number on it.
Similary, the press reported very accurately their exact words in the Oprah interview about what was said about Archie's skin colour. Why spin when there's no need to?

@Curleduppup wow, from an outsider's perspective it is so obvious that it was not you who allowed yourself to be scammed so why should you pay the price financially. But yet coming from such a dysfunctional family I can WELL believe that all the anger and frustration that you're no longer around to witness is directed at you for not magically waving it away at your own expense.

My brother he sort of cognitively gets it. I said only mum's pain matters in this family and he poo pooed it with the usual you're so sensitive, you're so paranoid come back. But I asked him ok, but my pain a grudge even though the source of it spanning decades has never been discussed, it's just a grudge. And yet, the pain I caused Mum by telling her that it hurts to be labelled, that is real and valid and ought to make me feel ashamed?? I felt like he understood that double standard and yet his anger was still directed at me not her. Submit, submit, submit. Submit to mum's narrative or you're the trouble maker. He cannot understand why I won't just buckle under and accept her regime! Although he would never phrase it like that.

You need to read the book. Yes he does take responsibility. There were a lot of other things that surprised me in the book quite honestly.
I suggest read it and see what you think.

Yes, I kind of gathered something like that, but in that case he should have written about that, and also explained why he wasn't going to actually reveal his own actual number. Why can't he get it through his head that 'honesty' doesn't mean you have to reveal every little detail? Some things are confidential for a reason!

Exactly. And nothing so dangerous should be dependent on context when it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that it will be picked out for report and comment.

He has an elephantine memory for perceived wrongs and sleights done to him

I think this is an under-noticed phenomenon. I'm a bit of a pessimist, fairly touchy and prone to see myself as having been wronged (obviously working on it or I couldn't admit that) but there is no way I could list the huge number of grudges he has and (even if I tried to) I would simply never express them that way because I know that my feelings are not objective reality.

He didn't write the book but this must be how he came across and he must think it's fine or he'd never have accepted this draft. Even if the press are (shock) amplifying the most attention grabbing bits it really does show how completely damaged Harry (and probably everyone who grows up with such privilidge) is by their every whim being the most important thing to everyone around them.

We all know people who damage their kids by spoiling them in this way to some degree, he (and Charles, William, Andrew and the rest) are just a product of this upbringing.

We, as a country, did this to them. We paid for their stupid lifestyle and co-operated in the ridiculous charade. Time to end it.

The palace started pretty obviously leaking their side of the story just before the Oprah interview. So, yes, I kind of agree that their dignified silence isn't all that silent! Trouble is, their side of it is so believable - that the couple were volatile and difficult to work with and they had to think of their staff - they couldn't make everything about Harry and Meg's mental health. That they could't comment on every gossipy story in the press or they would look ridiculous.

Whereas the other side goes something like 'She made me cry ... well, I might have said she had baby brain when she was dealing with a difficult pregnancy while trying to help me with my wedding ...' 'They were racist about our baby ... we never actually used the word racist ...' 'Duchess difficult is a narrative used against all people of colour, there's no basis for this at all ... I'm still really upset that we had to live in a small house while our massive house was being expensively rennovated'.

They may have felt unsupported by the palace, but, the fact is, they were much more popular before they took over their own PR and we saw what they are really like.

@JoyPeaceHealth It is very hard to move on and accept that there is nothing left to fight for but it brings peace and stability to my head. In my more generous moments, I know they are fucked up because we had a challenging childhood (which oddly they attempt to deny and cover up) and I know that this is their reaction to the abuse - all my siblings are a bit broken and damaged by what we endured, but I just can't allow myself to be the punch bag anymore. I forgive them but I never want to lay eyes on them again - the pain has to stop and I wish I'd had the strength to say no a long time ago - it's been a pointless journey trying to fix damaged people.

Haven't read it either but from the interviews he has taken responsibility for his past racism and unconscious bias and has been working to change that.

people saying he was lying about the QM death and where he was - this was when he was a child, memories can fade. do you remember where you were when your great grandmother passed away? I don't.

No but that’s because they died before I was born.

@ ghjklo
he was nearly 18 and not a young child !

I come from a highly dysfunctional family , I was beaten badly by my DM. One of my earliest memories is her being sectioned dragged away in an ambulance while I watched from the neighbours window. I had intensive therapy and a inpatient stay. I endured abuse but life goes on you have to choose to move on , forgive (in a weird way ) & let go. Harry will never have peace if he carries this on. He's stuck in a negative loop , I'm not sure if Meghan is enabling this and his therapist. He needs a new one , there comes a time when dwelling in the past hinders ones recovery.

The trouble is there's a difference between a slightly inaccurate memory and a total fabrication. He wasn't in Eton when he received the news on the phone from a courtier, he was skiing with his father and brother and presumably was given the news by his father. If he didn't remember the occasion, why include a comment on it at all? A different location, different people around him, it's hardly a 'I thought I heard in the morning but it was the afternoon'. If he chooses to include totally inaccurate stories that can be proven to be wrong, how many of his other anecdotes can be taken at face value as true ?

@Felix01 yeh, he's telling himself 25 times a day ''I've not been heard'' and don't misunderstand me, I know the pain of that. But what he is telling himself is hurting him. He needs to focus on knowing that he has his own experience that he trusts and stop attempting to make others hear him. It doesn't work (I know, I tried). I think a better therapist would be telling him that his perspective doesn't need to be endorsed. He needs to start telling him self that he is free to move forward and that he can live with the royal family's opinions of him.

If I was going to write about it in a book I probably would have had the wherewithal to check the dates. The least you could be expected to do when writing about someone who left you £10m in their will.

I think he probably does need a different therapist - I know my sister saw a therapist for years who encouraged her to speak her truth and her family would listen - but that therapist was sadly mistaken, all hell broke loose - my parents thought she was being evil and malicious - she was seeking peace in her head - recognition of her pain but my family weren’t ready for anyone’s truth or to take responsibility for their fuck ups - some things are can’t be fixed.

Jason Knauf, who made a complaint about Meghan has been made a Lieutenant of the Royal Victorian Order in the NY Honours List.

Bingo😃