Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

[Orangefir]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

@Orangefir And as I have already said, white tights would not go with those dresses. It is a different kind of style.

I think Kate had every right to advocate for her child. I wouldn't have let my daughter be forced into shoes with no socks/tights as I knew it would hurt her. I'm not going to keep quiet about my child being hurt and I don't see why Kate should.

Little girls also wear bare legs, or socks, or any colour. My DD has a penchant for woolly ones with Halloween motifs, as it happens. When I was small I opted for bare legs as often as possible. There’s no rule.

(My fashion credentials should you need them: an MA with Distinction from London College of Fashion and 20+ years award-winning writing for glossy titles from Hearst, Conde Nast, Nat Mags and IPC Media – as was, think it’s owned by Future PLC now. Anyway I’m long out of the fashion journo game doing other things, but I do dip my tights-free toe in the waters as an interested party.)

What for more conspiracy theories? Thanks I will pass.

But nobody has ever said the children's feet hurt. This is a narrative you are all making up.
The disagreement was about a style choice. And at a wedding the bride gets to make that decision.

This poster seems fond of them if they relate to Harry or Meghan.

@BradfordGirl*

the feet could have started to hurt once the children had been wearing the shoes for a wee while so in order to prevent this people would generally have the children wear ankle socks or tights from the get go.

Sorry, and the disagreement wasn’t about a style choice. It was about the pigs ear Givenchy had made of the dresses.

My feet hurt even thinking about dress shoes with no socks or tights. But who cares if a little girls feet hurt during “this thing, this spectacle for the world.”

This poster has tried to keep this chat about the tailoring and the dresses. So don’t dare start throwing accusations at me

@AliceOlive No one has ever said the girls feet hurt.
My DD has worn shoes without socks or tights and they have been fine. If shoes are well made and well fitted they are fine without anything. The shoes will have been hand made to fit.

@BradfordGirl

Start a positive thread about M&H and seek out others who share your opinions. I think you’ll be much happier than constantly posting your contrary comments for the sake of it.

I think the overal look was still lovely but the detail was off, and obviously because it keeps being brought up as a story to try and make one or other woman look bad then people are looking at the dresses to see what the fuss was about.

I think it would have been fine, actually quite refreshing for the littlies to have worn normally available dresses. I think everyone would expect a couture dress for a royal bride, but for a bunch of tots then normal BM/Flowergirl dresses would have been fine. They'd have been a damn site easier to tailor too! Bespoke french couture dresses in particularly hard to work silk for 3 year old is crazy.

In the same way the dresses were @BradfordGirl? Because we know how well that went!

@Orangefir I would prefer if someone started a thread labelled Royal Conspiracy Theories so everyone making up stuff could confine it to one thraed.

@toomuchlaundry I do not know what happened with the bridesmaids dresses that they needed so much altering. Something obviously went wrong.

Then start one!

Stop derailing a thread that was actually pretty interesting re dressmaking/fashion

The only people speaking are Harry and Meghan. No one else has said anything at all. They have yet to mention even one thing that they could have done differently.
They aren’t going to purposely say anything that paints them in a less than perfect light.

Yet you are happy to attribute feelings, behaviors and even words to people that have not said anything at all when it suits your position. You know exactly how Kate felt about the lipgloss and the hugging, right?

My link was to signal to the other poster, that that’s where they can discuss things. Not on the thread regarding the girls dresses.

What this comes down to here to me is that (as I have always said) two women under pressure for different reasons reacted emotionally over an issue before a huge wedding. Discussions appear to have been terse on both sides. That is completely understandable (and we don’t know what had passed beforehand - I think it unlikely that the very first discussions about the dresses was four days before the wedding).

It turns out that there was a genuine problem here, in that the dresses needed to be worked on intensively night and day before the wedding to make them wearable (and even they they did not look like a quality product. That’s on Givenchy, not Ajay or the mothers/bride).

Possible takeaways here:

• the mother with the three week old baby doubtless could have handled the discussion better. She did at least recognise she might have made the bride’s situation harder by her own actions and brought her flowers to apologise.
• the bride appears to have taken the attitude of shooting the messenger here. As her texts as reported by Harry make clear, she was already dealing with the stress of her father’s antics. The bridesmaid’s dresses could well have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. But she has since publicly focussed on Kate’s actions alone as causing her to lie in the floor in floods of tears. It wasn’t either woman’s fault that the dresses were a mess, and it clearly needed to be solved. It seems however that Meghan has blamed Kate for her added stress, and that’s the narrative she has given us ever since (in Finding Freedom I note Kate’s apology wasn’t good enough)
• People who look to blame others for their own emotional reactions can be very difficult to work for if they can’t keep a lid on those impulses in a professional setting. Blame cultures led from the top are not pleasant environments for workers.
• Meghan obviously also holds grudges as this is clearly not an issue she has subsequently been able to make her peace with.
• Meghan understandably bitterly resented being cast as the baddie here. But fighting back against that had blown this up into an enormous issue, resulting in her sister in law being globally shamed, resulted in Givenchy being outed as a terrible design house (Meghan still wears their clothes, I doubt they are pleased), her personal texts being revealed, and she still hasn’t cleared her name, because they were clearly both upset. I wonder if she reflects back and thinks that the Palaces original response to the story, which was “That never happened” might with hindsight have been a wiser course of action?

I'm one of the posters with zero fashion knowledge ,posting because I'm fascinated..

So ,found this showing the type of silk used to make the bridesmaid dresses -it's from here thedreamstress.com/2011/06/emilys-1903-evening-gown-matching-the-fabric/.
Do those that know about these things think that's accurate ?
I also came across a comment ,in relation to this fabric ,saying it was suitable for more structured garments .

So I'm wondering if the choice of fabric for the style of dress might have also been a problem ?

Although to my mind a heavier ,sturdier silk would be a good choice for such young bridesmaids .

@AliceOlive This whole thing started because of a leak alleging wrongly that Meghan was so awful she even made Kate cry over tights and bridesmaids dresses. Harry and Meghan were responding to this. They did not start it.

BradfordGirl, I know you won’t, but you should, bear in mind that Harry and Meghan are only sharing the details that paint themselves in the best light here. I think it highly unlikely that the bridesmaids and what they would be wearing were discussed for the first time four days before the wedding. We don’t know the whole picture here.

@Serenster I know we will never know the whole story. But honestly it is a storm in a teacup.

We have in the Royal Family one man who has avoided going to court over allegedly raping a sex trafficked teenager. A King who has accepted donations of large amounts of cash in a suitcase.
And instead of being concerned about this people spend hours and hours, days, months and years arguing over whether some bridesmaids dresses fitted properly or not and over whether they should have worn white tights with the dresses or not. It is totally warped.