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Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:33

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

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toomuchlaundry · 11/01/2023 07:40

There is a difference between less fitted and badly fitted

horrificbiology · 11/01/2023 07:44

@DinnerInItaly exactly. I wonder how much a parents feels were picked up from Charlotte. I know 3 year olds can be random, but about a dress at 3, surely her mum like many of us mums could give her a cuddle and tell her she was still going to be in the wedding.

LittleBearPad · 11/01/2023 07:46

Mind you I also thought that simpler, slightly less fitted dresses without tights for little girls on a hot summer day was a good idea and showed some thought for their comfort.

It was May.

LetsDoThis2023 · 11/01/2023 07:49

Snore.

Cariadz · 11/01/2023 07:55

Cath667 · 11/01/2023 07:12

I'm not sure how much of this text message 'she said, she said' guff I believe. But while I find it entirely plausible that a 3 year old cried because her dress was too big I find it ridiculous that Harry found Meghan lying on the floor sobbing.

And just as he arrived home.

picklemewalnuts · 11/01/2023 07:56

Maybe Meghan didn't realise (as I wouldn't have, til reading this thread) that the detailed work in the dresses was so massive. Perhaps she thought it was more like tweaking an off the peg/pre-made dress.

I'd never imagined the eye for detail you guys have, in terms of how things fit. Your observations on Meghan's dress really surprised me. It simply didn't occur to me that it could fit better.

And Harry failing to prepare Meghan- maybe he hadn't actually introduced an outsider before, his previous girlfriends being from within the circle and knowing what they needed, at least enough to check beforehand. I mean, I'm a long way from being 'in the circle', but I'd know enough to ask how to greet people, from visits to school and so on. 'Ma'am rhymes with ham' and all that.

LittleBearPad · 11/01/2023 07:58

picklemewalnuts · 11/01/2023 07:56

Maybe Meghan didn't realise (as I wouldn't have, til reading this thread) that the detailed work in the dresses was so massive. Perhaps she thought it was more like tweaking an off the peg/pre-made dress.

I'd never imagined the eye for detail you guys have, in terms of how things fit. Your observations on Meghan's dress really surprised me. It simply didn't occur to me that it could fit better.

And Harry failing to prepare Meghan- maybe he hadn't actually introduced an outsider before, his previous girlfriends being from within the circle and knowing what they needed, at least enough to check beforehand. I mean, I'm a long way from being 'in the circle', but I'd know enough to ask how to greet people, from visits to school and so on. 'Ma'am rhymes with ham' and all that.

But Chelsy wasn’t ‘in the circle’. She grew up in Zimbabwe not the UK. Harry just seems thoughtless.

sunnyminds76 · 11/01/2023 08:00

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 10/01/2023 20:47

I don’t understand why people are all up in arms about this.

Kate, a mother of three with a newborn (3 weeks postpartum) was stressing because her daughter’s dress didn’t fit and her child was upset about it. She knew that she and all the other girls would be on the world stage and would be judged.

Meghan is planning the wedding of the year, millions upon millions will be watching and she’s got a lot more to focus on than just bridesmaids’ dresses. Her family are also making a spectacle of themselves and she is unsure if her father is walking her down the aisle. She is also majorly stressed.

They are both curt with each other. In the text messages, both are rude to each other. Meghan cried. Harry is sure that Kate didn’t intend to make Meghan cry and just assumes that emotions are running high. Kate takes accountability and apologies with a gift. Meghan said Kate did everything that she would have done in the same situation.

The only problem is that it was leaked to the press and a false narrative was created. That’s all they wanted to correct.

This, this a thousand times this.

bloodyplanes · 11/01/2023 08:01

It makes sense now as to why megans dress didn't fit either! It looked awful and drowned her! Not what you would expect from a top fashion house!

Sugarfree23 · 11/01/2023 08:10

C8H10N4O2 · 11/01/2023 07:38

Clare Waight Keller is a British designer, although I see no rason why an American bride getting death threads from the British far right should care either way.

Mind you I also thought that simpler, slightly less fitted dresses without tights for little girls on a hot summer day was a good idea and showed some thought for their comfort.

When Diana abandoned gloves and many of the other outdated and uncomfortable clothing conventions she was applauded for it. What could be the difference I wonder 🙄

I'm sure Kate was willing to have the girls in socks rather than tights but she didn't want bare feet in shoes because of blisters and shoes rubbing.

Harry, being a bloke, has probably never experienced how uncomfortable bare feet in shoes can be.

He shouldn't have brought this stuff back up. He's attacking a lady just after she gave birth, a small child, an error by the dress maker, and making his wife look an ass for putting fashion before comfort for very small children at a massive televisied wedding.
Note his own children havent been seen at any televised events, they weren't even seen in the stands with the Queens other GGC at the Jubile. Never mind being expected to attend something being uncomfortable and not act up.

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 08:11

In contrast to the girls dresses, which seems to be a rush job and perhaps the wedding dress that could have had one more fitting - the veil took 100s of hours to embroider with hands being washed every 30mins.

So the decision for the veil took place very early on and work must have started immediately. Think some posters have made arguments that she must have not had enough time between engagement and the big day to get organised.

I think there must have been late choices re fabrics/designs regarding the dresses.

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RealMcKoy · 11/01/2023 08:12

StarSand-I have ltlle time for any of the protaganists in the Harry/Meghan/Royal Family hoo ha, but I have to call your anti American superiority complex OUT.
Anything dirty trick that the U.S knows and learned, they learned and know it from Momma Britain, okay?
Fact of the matter is this; if one is Black and they want to make it in life, the U.S is still the place to go, even more than Black nations. You may be very well satisfied that the majority of black people in the U.K are living cheek by jowl, can't buy a piece of land, and meant to be grateful because this keeps the "natives" fro being so nervous as to lynch us, thus everything, according to people like you, is gravy.

But many Black people would rather eat their own shit than to come and live in the U.K. There is a constant number of Born British Black and naturalised British Black who have been leaving this country since the 1980s; shit my my paternal grandparents came in 1962 and were back in Jamaica, house built, land bought by 1974. My aunt took her free NHS nurse training as as gift she cheekily called "reparations" and went to live in the U.S since just before I was born in 1970. On a nurse's wage, she was able to rent a house for decades in New York City and buy a house in Florida and land in Jamaica for her daughter and grandaughter.

My one daughter, recently turned thirty has been working freelance all o I have to thank my U.S family connections for saving my one child from the one step forward, six steps backwards life that too often the expectation for Black people over here, no matter how qualified.
fact is, the U.S is no stranger to Black people being in EVERY work paradigm that exists, plus the "hating" culture is far less put there than over here, so people do not mind giving information to better oneself as much as over here.
My family used to be very large over here and gradually has emigrated to the U.S, South America, and back to Jamaica with a couple gone to China and Japan. I'll be gone in a couple of years after sacrificing my twenties to bringing up my daughter as a single parent and saving , saving , saving ( 1990s) and buying my then council flat and then selling that. My fear of dying in this country is the impetus. This country, especially London, HATES old people, so why my Black arse would stay here, up in age, I don't know. All my relatives ask "where are the elders?" when they come here. Yes, even in the super capitalist U.S, visibly old people are, well, visible.

There are over 30 million Black people in the U.S and I do not see the culture of wanting to escape from there as a Black person even a twentieth as much as I do from over here. Fact is, in any strata, U.S people are just not as obssessed with the U.K yay or nay as the proudly virulent anti U.S people that can be found anywhere over here in any group. But "hating" whils being polite is U,K, especially English culture 101 and directness is aggression. Many a time, all my life a certaintye of person has balked at my directness. The fake nice to be nosy trait is just not a characteristic that I have acquired. Similarly, "no" has always been a full sentence for me; in work and outside it.

I feel sorry for any Black person in this country who does not have any heritage country connections or is familiar with people who do. My family chose not to get too comfortable over here as they foresaw that the place that apathy would lead to Black people over assimilating into white underclass culture, gradually rendering their "otherness" a technicality and a burden and something that cannot be celebrated outwith being carpetbagged by white people in order to give it "validity".

There is so much that is shitty about the U.K with its insular superiority.
if the U.K is so good, how come Black people cannot have a their own middle class with the subliminal message that Black people have to have an interracial relationship in order to mobilise? How come certain councils where many Black people live make/made sure that Black people cannot/could not buy buildings that they could run businesses from, but other non whites could, who do not live in those areas and whose businesses Black people have to patronise?

There is a LOT of anti Blackness in this country and I conly concern myself with the anti Blackness that hinders my and others progress. I could give a fuck who marries who. A fi dem business and personal to them, not something that will bring Black people forward.
Honey without money don't make no sense, no matter how much white people in the U.K have a superiority complex about racism over there, compared to the suffocating, apathy rendering anti Blackness over here.
thank God my elders recognised it from the 1960s and their descendants have been trained to move accordingly whilst managing "to keep it Black" ( another dynamic that the superiority complex havers both Black and white don't really check for, I have noticed).

C8H10N4O2 · 11/01/2023 08:13

Sugarfree23 · 11/01/2023 08:10

I'm sure Kate was willing to have the girls in socks rather than tights but she didn't want bare feet in shoes because of blisters and shoes rubbing.

Harry, being a bloke, has probably never experienced how uncomfortable bare feet in shoes can be.

He shouldn't have brought this stuff back up. He's attacking a lady just after she gave birth, a small child, an error by the dress maker, and making his wife look an ass for putting fashion before comfort for very small children at a massive televisied wedding.
Note his own children havent been seen at any televised events, they weren't even seen in the stands with the Queens other GGC at the Jubile. Never mind being expected to attend something being uncomfortable and not act up.

Really? You discussed this with her? Socks are "common" as well don't you know as was extensively discussed here at the time. Only tights were acceptable.

What I find interesting is that Diana tried to modernise and break out of some of the more ridiculous dated conventions whereas Kate seems to want to go backward and reinforce them. The children often look like a parody of the 1950s. That is more a reflection of their different backgrounds I suspect. Diana was at home in the upper classes with a longer pedigree than Charles.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 08:15

Sugarfree23 · 11/01/2023 08:10

I'm sure Kate was willing to have the girls in socks rather than tights but she didn't want bare feet in shoes because of blisters and shoes rubbing.

Harry, being a bloke, has probably never experienced how uncomfortable bare feet in shoes can be.

He shouldn't have brought this stuff back up. He's attacking a lady just after she gave birth, a small child, an error by the dress maker, and making his wife look an ass for putting fashion before comfort for very small children at a massive televisied wedding.
Note his own children havent been seen at any televised events, they weren't even seen in the stands with the Queens other GGC at the Jubile. Never mind being expected to attend something being uncomfortable and not act up.

Agree, the whole "who made who cry and why" is actually getting beyond silly at this point. I've said before that I suspect the answer is probably both at them at different times. But it would have stopped being a story years ago if they hadn't kept bringing it up, and in the context of the supposedly awful treatment they suffered it seems an odd thing to keep harping on about.

The accusation that the whole thing came from Camilla in the first place is actually the big part of the story, and that bit could have been told without rehashing for the umpteenth time about who was slightly snippy to who.

C8H10N4O2 · 11/01/2023 08:19

toomuchlaundry · 11/01/2023 07:40

There is a difference between less fitted and badly fitted

Have you seen the dresses close up on the children? Because whilst there are a couple of photos which make Charlotte's hem look uneven there are many more where it looks fine. Most of the dresses looked less fitted to me and a pleasant change from the normal fitted, petticoated royal bridesmaids with tights on a hot summer's day.

I can imagine, looking back that this was the time during which Harry felt the absence of Diana, one person who might have provided support and guidance in a more disinterested way than the courtiers and other members of the family with their in fighting and political games.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 08:21

C8H10N4O2 · 11/01/2023 08:13

Really? You discussed this with her? Socks are "common" as well don't you know as was extensively discussed here at the time. Only tights were acceptable.

What I find interesting is that Diana tried to modernise and break out of some of the more ridiculous dated conventions whereas Kate seems to want to go backward and reinforce them. The children often look like a parody of the 1950s. That is more a reflection of their different backgrounds I suspect. Diana was at home in the upper classes with a longer pedigree than Charles.

Honestly in Kate's position I can understand suggesting tights - she knows her daughter, and she knows how the cameras pick up everything at these events. Something (whether tights or socks) would have made the formal shoes more comfortable and be less likely to result in whiney toddlers. And the dresses have quite full skirts too - tights provide a bit of extra cover if the wind blows them up, or one of them falls over, or whatever.

But then my kids have generally always worn tights, and I wouldn't have put them in bare feet for a big event.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 08:24

C8H10N4O2 · 11/01/2023 08:19

Have you seen the dresses close up on the children? Because whilst there are a couple of photos which make Charlotte's hem look uneven there are many more where it looks fine. Most of the dresses looked less fitted to me and a pleasant change from the normal fitted, petticoated royal bridesmaids with tights on a hot summer's day.

I can imagine, looking back that this was the time during which Harry felt the absence of Diana, one person who might have provided support and guidance in a more disinterested way than the courtiers and other members of the family with their in fighting and political games.

I posted a picture upthread which is taken from when the dress was on display - so it's completely still, not being moved by a bouncy kid. It's wonky as hell. Her dress is also far too big through the torso, not just less fitted - it has vertical creases because there's way too much width in it.

Less fitted and badly fitted aren't the same thing, and Charlotte's is badly fitted.

Chocolateyshakes · 11/01/2023 08:24

Kate was in the wrong here. Her text messages are rude. She made Meghan cry. For once Meghan is not the villain. End of story. I'm no fan of either, but get fed up of reading about perfect Kate and bad Meghan - it's all driven by the press. They did exactly the same with Diana and Fergie too.

HoppingAndHoping · 11/01/2023 08:25

smilingthroughgrittedteeth · 10/01/2023 21:49

My 4 yr old cried for 20mins last week because her new dress was to big and needed to be returned for a smaller size so i can well believe charlotte may have cried. She also once cried because her shoes didnt fit anymore

I remember once crying because I had to wear - gasp - trousers to kindergarten (??) when I had an "only dresses" phase. I was also very particular about certain design aspects (huge fan of puffed sleeves, for example) and colours when I was about that age.

I do not think that Charlotte (or any children!) should have been included in this book. It is a shame that Harry mentioned her at all.

BUT a child having a reaction to a dress seems believable to me. And (obviously) doesn't imply anything negative about her character or upbringing...

HoppingAndHoping · 11/01/2023 08:26

Chocolateyshakes · 11/01/2023 08:24

Kate was in the wrong here. Her text messages are rude. She made Meghan cry. For once Meghan is not the villain. End of story. I'm no fan of either, but get fed up of reading about perfect Kate and bad Meghan - it's all driven by the press. They did exactly the same with Diana and Fergie too.

I thought those text messages were just recreated and not actually authentic...?

Monzeitia · 11/01/2023 08:29

So we are to believe H&M that are well known for lying even in court, oh sorry “she actually forgot” I’m afraid there are not many people who believe a word they say anymore, W&C don’t need to respond, just carry on with their lives as planned, the other two have totally destroyed their reputation all by themselves

Wibbly1008 · 11/01/2023 08:32

How stupid to make kids dresses on measurements that constantly change with them growing. No wonder Kate mentioned they needed to be remade. This totally corroborates Kate’s side and shows Megan to be a spoilt nut job.
I thought Megan’s dress was crap too. Needed another fitting and was the most boring dress ever seen on a royal.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 08:37

Chocolateyshakes · 11/01/2023 08:24

Kate was in the wrong here. Her text messages are rude. She made Meghan cry. For once Meghan is not the villain. End of story. I'm no fan of either, but get fed up of reading about perfect Kate and bad Meghan - it's all driven by the press. They did exactly the same with Diana and Fergie too.

They aren't the real messages. They're Harry's retelling of what was said. Nobody knows what was actually said

Cath667 · 11/01/2023 08:38

Chocolateyshakes · 11/01/2023 08:24

Kate was in the wrong here. Her text messages are rude. She made Meghan cry. For once Meghan is not the villain. End of story. I'm no fan of either, but get fed up of reading about perfect Kate and bad Meghan - it's all driven by the press. They did exactly the same with Diana and Fergie too.

We haven't seen the text messages. Only Harry's version of a story.

Shelefttheweb · 11/01/2023 08:51

Chocolateyshakes · 11/01/2023 08:24

Kate was in the wrong here. Her text messages are rude. She made Meghan cry. For once Meghan is not the villain. End of story. I'm no fan of either, but get fed up of reading about perfect Kate and bad Meghan - it's all driven by the press. They did exactly the same with Diana and Fergie too.

You mean the so-called ‘text messages’ a newspaper made up based on Harry’s clearly partisan report in his book? When Harry wasn’t even present at the dress fitting?