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What did Prince Harry mean when she said that Camilla was 'dangerous'?

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Charlize43 · 09/01/2023 08:40

I didn't really understand the explanation he gave in the Anderson Cooper interview, something about her wanting to 'rehabilitate her image'... Why would that be dangerous?

Is it just irrational dislike of his stepmother?

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BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 15:36

notanotheroneagain · 09/01/2023 15:24

The question is how on earth does Jeremy Clarkson go to lunch with Camilla and writes a scathing article on MM and refers to Harry as 'Harold'. A name that was not usually used in the media and most of us didn't even know?

We can start there

The link is blindingly obvious. No wonder Harry does not like Camilla.

Lampzade · 09/01/2023 15:36

notanotheroneagain · 09/01/2023 15:24

The question is how on earth does Jeremy Clarkson go to lunch with Camilla and writes a scathing article on MM and refers to Harry as 'Harold'. A name that was not usually used in the media and most of us didn't even know?

We can start there

Very interesting

Lampzade · 09/01/2023 15:38

JanusTheFirst · 09/01/2023 09:01

He conveniently forgets his mother was the first to be unfaithful. Silly, silly boy.

Not true

BethDuttonsTwin · 09/01/2023 15:39

He meant “I know there are still quite a few members of the public who don’t like Camilla, she’s an easy target, so that’s where I will aim. Especially as nearly all my other whinges about other members of my family who are more popular, have fallen on stony ground and not had the reaction I expected them to”.

Satinwoodlill879 · 09/01/2023 15:41

Camilla does it quite subtlety I think. She has known Gyles Brandreth since they were teens and he is always popping up on morning TV saying that Diana was an hysteric (despite the fact he has no medical training) or writing articles about how wonderful Camilla is and how awful MM is. You can Google them in a second. How much he does that independently to ingratiate himself with "the great and "good", or how much he is guided, I obviously don't know, but let's say I think that because there are so many little mentions and articles , it is perhaps more than coincidence, and who knows how these shady tit for tat exchanges are carried out?

That's why I feel sorry for Harry in a way because this sort of thing is very difficult to call out and articulate, and once you are up against the establishment, all sorts of doors are shut in your face, firmly but very subtly. And in the meantime, all the many articles start to form a certain impression and sink. in to mass consciousness which transmutes in to the so-called "truth" and their "target" is left helpless. If this has been going on for six years or longer, I can understand why Harry has blown his top now in a spectacularly unsubtle way!

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 15:44

The message from the Royal Family via the media has always been that Diana was a mad hysteric.
It makes me eye roll when they talk about mental health.
Diana was bulimic and a very young and unhappy woman, Being unhappy is not a reason to dismiss what she says.
It is the age old issue that if a woman complains about how someone is treating her, she gets called hysterical.

SnowlayRoundabout · 09/01/2023 15:45

100ForCentSilk · 09/01/2023 10:00

They Camilla go to bed with the devil Jeremy Clarkson Piers Morgan.

KC won't like this.

I predict that H&M will rejoin the RF as working royals and KC will make them sign a watertight NDA.

I can't see it. How would you ever produce a watertight NDA with someone in his position? It's not like the RF are ever likely to take it to court if he acts in breach of it.

Itsnottime · 09/01/2023 16:07

JanusTheFirst · 09/01/2023 09:01

He conveniently forgets his mother was the first to be unfaithful. Silly, silly boy.

How do we know that?

Satinwoodlill879 · 09/01/2023 16:10

Exactly BradfordGirl and they are playing the same hand now towards Harry if Gyles's Brandreth's TV appearance

this morning was anything to go by! Quite cleverly; "oh this is not a royal story ( massive deflection) this is a story about a boy and his dead mother" , "the royal family will remain quiet" - which begs the question, how does he know what they are planning? Is it speculation? Or has someone whispered in his ear?

Sorry for formatting issues! Dodgy phone screen!

MoscowMules · 09/01/2023 16:36

Satinwoodlill879 · 09/01/2023 16:10

Exactly BradfordGirl and they are playing the same hand now towards Harry if Gyles's Brandreth's TV appearance

this morning was anything to go by! Quite cleverly; "oh this is not a royal story ( massive deflection) this is a story about a boy and his dead mother" , "the royal family will remain quiet" - which begs the question, how does he know what they are planning? Is it speculation? Or has someone whispered in his ear?

Sorry for formatting issues! Dodgy phone screen!

I saw bits of it as I was home working from nan's house, I keep an eye on her and work from hers so she has some company and with her heart failure someone is always in the house best we can to keep an eye and help her.

But I digress.

I did sort of agree, Harry's main arguments are about the inter family personal relationships, rather than The Firm of The Royal Family. Had he stated PR offices and employees are actively briefing against one another that's an employment issue.

But he's basically said Camilla is briefing against him always has to improve her image. He has also revealed a lot (rightly or wrongly) about him and his brother/father's personal family talks and grievances.

So I suppose The Firm doesn't need to respond as they haven't been attacked as a whole establishment. It's the actual named family members and how they behave towards one another that has seemed.to cause much of if not all of the grief.

The Buckingham Palace release after the OW interview was a bit half and half. It had been inferred (to many) that the institution/firm was racist, so they commented on that but they did put emphasis on how they would manage some of it personally as a family.

Now it would appear it's all personal so Buckingham Palace need not comment.

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 16:49

@MoscowMules Exactly! The same hand as with Diana. Oh he is crazy and loosing it. So you can dismiss everything he says.
And then they will get up at events and mouth kind words about mental health.

The sad thing is that it works. Just as it did with Diana. Keep calling some crazy and it sticks. And people dismiss them. Abusers know this works.

Lampzade · 09/01/2023 16:57

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 16:49

@MoscowMules Exactly! The same hand as with Diana. Oh he is crazy and loosing it. So you can dismiss everything he says.
And then they will get up at events and mouth kind words about mental health.

The sad thing is that it works. Just as it did with Diana. Keep calling some crazy and it sticks. And people dismiss them. Abusers know this works.

Absolutely this

Lampzade · 09/01/2023 17:01

Satinwoodlill879 · 09/01/2023 15:41

Camilla does it quite subtlety I think. She has known Gyles Brandreth since they were teens and he is always popping up on morning TV saying that Diana was an hysteric (despite the fact he has no medical training) or writing articles about how wonderful Camilla is and how awful MM is. You can Google them in a second. How much he does that independently to ingratiate himself with "the great and "good", or how much he is guided, I obviously don't know, but let's say I think that because there are so many little mentions and articles , it is perhaps more than coincidence, and who knows how these shady tit for tat exchanges are carried out?

That's why I feel sorry for Harry in a way because this sort of thing is very difficult to call out and articulate, and once you are up against the establishment, all sorts of doors are shut in your face, firmly but very subtly. And in the meantime, all the many articles start to form a certain impression and sink. in to mass consciousness which transmutes in to the so-called "truth" and their "target" is left helpless. If this has been going on for six years or longer, I can understand why Harry has blown his top now in a spectacularly unsubtle way!

This

Crabo · 09/01/2023 17:11

To me Harry is just playing on the gullibility of his audience. Whatever has gone on in the past is now passed and the king is married to Camilla and has been for some time and she appears no threat to anyone who is getting on and doing their job in the Firm. We know lots of marriages founder and whether we like it or not the second partner makes a better go of it. Those who think that Diana was some form of saint are mistaken but it is no good running her down any more than running Camilla down. Of course mistakes were made but so are they in a lot of relationships. It is sad but people move on. Unfortunately harbouring bitterness is like drinking poison and hoping it will kill the other person

Satinwoodlill879 · 09/01/2023 17:16

Crabo · 09/01/2023 17:11

To me Harry is just playing on the gullibility of his audience. Whatever has gone on in the past is now passed and the king is married to Camilla and has been for some time and she appears no threat to anyone who is getting on and doing their job in the Firm. We know lots of marriages founder and whether we like it or not the second partner makes a better go of it. Those who think that Diana was some form of saint are mistaken but it is no good running her down any more than running Camilla down. Of course mistakes were made but so are they in a lot of relationships. It is sad but people move on. Unfortunately harbouring bitterness is like drinking poison and hoping it will kill the other person

That is all very reasonable save for the fact that Harry’s objections are not all historical. The briefing against him and MM are very current eg Jeremy Clarkson article.

lightand · 09/01/2023 17:22

I did sort of agree, Harry's main arguments are about the inter family personal relationships, rather than The Firm of The Royal Family. Had he stated PR offices and employees are actively briefing against one another that's an employment issue.

In which case you take them up with the family members themselves.

To infer heavily that the rf is racist, and then backpeddle is bad behaviour on his part.

In fact to suggest or infer anything, without saying them outright, so you can back peddle later, well I avoid those types of people in real life. They are going around causing a whole heap of trouble.

lightand · 09/01/2023 17:23

He probably does have points about press briefings against him.

I have never worked out how the press and royal family work together or dont.

EdithWeston · 09/01/2023 17:27

piedbeauty · 09/01/2023 15:18

@EdithWeston - a second mistress? Who was that?

Kanga, Lady Tryon. She also died in 1997, and had probably been off the scene for a few years before that (cancer diagnosis in the early 90s, rather public issues with alcohol and painkillers).

Airbrushing her out (despite her being the most 'known' mistress) was useful both for Diana and her memorable words about Camilla, but in the longer term that benefitted C&C enormously in letting the idea grow that this was a great life-long love

DerangedViper · 09/01/2023 17:32

Gyles Brandreth is friends with a number of royals (biographer of ER II) so I don't think anything from him can be tabbed back directly to Camilla

Kitcaterpillar · 09/01/2023 17:35

To me Harry is just playing on the gullibility of his audience.

But arguably, so are the rest of them. The view that William and Kate are a normal, hard-working family stoically rising above it all is nonsense.

We all know Charles is a peevish, difficult man, he's never bothered to hide it. Is it so hard to believe that living a life of extreme privilege, in the knowledge you'll become king, might not make you a terribly pleasant person?

onlylarkin · 09/01/2023 17:35

notanotheroneagain · 09/01/2023 15:24

The question is how on earth does Jeremy Clarkson go to lunch with Camilla and writes a scathing article on MM and refers to Harry as 'Harold'. A name that was not usually used in the media and most of us didn't even know?

We can start there

Interesting.

Yep, none of us knew about William calling him Harold until the book. Wonder how JC came to call him that? Seems like a pretty big coincidence.

cyclamenqueen · 09/01/2023 17:38

Clarkson is a vile man , however that article was submitted for publishing a couple of days before the lunch at which he was a co guest with Camilla . The fact that Harry’s nickname is Harold would not be news to anyone even vaguely close to the royals and Clarkson lives in the Cotswolds which is awash with royals and their cronies. Harry and Meghan reportedly socialised with him themselves as they rented a beautiful home there whilst they were supposedly slumming it at Nott Cott ( rather like Kate and William did in Anglesey except H&Ms was set in 400 acres and also included a staff cottage ) It was at Great Tew near SoHo farmhouse.

diddl · 09/01/2023 20:35

lightand · 09/01/2023 17:23

He probably does have points about press briefings against him.

I have never worked out how the press and royal family work together or dont.

I think that might be the only thing he has a point on.

But then is he saying that some things were lies?

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 20:52

Diana was worse than the lot of them combined for feeding stuff to the media. That appears to have escaped her son’s notice.

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 20:54

Diana was worse than the lot of them combined for feeding stuff to the media. That appears to have escaped her son’s notice.