I am genuinely worried for Harry's mental health now after this

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Give it another week of worldwide chewing over his words and all the drama it's creating, I'm genuinely worried for Harry. How can you go anywhere and hold your head up after you've opened yourself to such ridicule? He might want an un-royal life but he is a prince non-the-less. Where's the dignity? He really, really needs help. I sincerely hope it gets it. The fallout from this won't be forgotten in a hurry. And to top it off, how can he make his family truly secure now?

And saying the stuff about the Taliban kill count 🙀. Well I mean that's on him tbh.

Exactly. Everyone parroting the fact that he's a grown man is seemingly unaware of manipulation, narcissistic abuse, controlling/abusive relationships...these all happen between adults.

I feel like Meghan is mostly to blame here. He left the royal family with no source of income. Meghan has probably been stressing him out about money and providing for her and his kids. So all these deals with netflix, the book etc, is all about money. So he can afford the LA lifestyle his wife wants. So she might know it is a bad idea...but she will also know that this book will sell and make them a lot of money. So has either not told Harry about it might be received or has told him to make it as controversial as possible to get sales. Who knows! But I don't think he would be selling this book if they didn't need the money

Apparently they have made 100 million quid all in. Suspect that will soften the blow of any mental health angst.

Does anyone else think he’s been conditioned and groomed? Maybe a word here, a word there, in creep the doubts until you begin to believe a whole other narrative.

Another Disney character. Like Ariel. She’s obsessed with being a Disney princess.

Definitely.

Also if you look at the the other spares from Charles’s generation- Edward and Anne have just got on with it. They support charities, get on with their duties and have a relatively quiet private life when it comes to the press. H had all the opportunities to do this. He’s not the spare now anyway- Charlotte is. As soon as W and K started having children he should have started making plans for how he would support himself and build a more independent life regardless of who he married.

Stupid thing is that his main beef with the RF is that they supposedly briefed damaging stories to the press (although he can’t say what).

Yet what he’s said about himself is FAR more damaging than anything they have ever said, to his reputation, credibility and security. And we know that he and MM did exactly the same with Finding Freedom.

Likewise the stories he’s publishing about the RF in this book are just as bad if not worse, so surely he has absolutely no leg to stand on now?

How can he possibly continue to make that the centre of his argument after everything he’s done with his own book?? If it were that bad, why did he do this… it’s not correcting the record, it’s pressing the self destruct button?

I don’t get it.

Agreed, there's something strange about him now. There is no way on earth anyone in their sound mind would write all those stories. He's cast himself in a very negative light. People are now laughing at him and mocking his stories. What did he think would happen? He doesn't have a hard life, he never did. Yes he lost his mother at a young age, and that's awful. But many people have experienced that too, and others have suffered far worse. He is so out of touch with normal folk. We don't want to listen to him complain about his privileged upbringing. Also why was meghan happy for this to happen? Is it her way of completely severing ties, even if Harry looks like a loony?!

No you wouldn’t. You’d like a normal family dynamic like everyone else. You’d like a mother hat hadn’t died, you’d like an uncold father, you’d like an unfucked family dynamic. Nobody on here knows how cruel aristocratic families can be. Money is not everything if you’ve had a damaging childhood.

Harry doesn’t care, this is his last blast after his grandmothers funeral.

Also lots of stupid comments about his time in the army. They do train them to think like that. Did you all think he was out there tickling people? Yes they treat the bodies with respect but yes they are taught to zone out. He was in a fucking Apache helicopter 🤣

Me too, OP. There is already speculation about his MH, which can surely only get worse after all the ridicule that’s already ensuing from ‘Spare’. IMO anyone who encouraged or enabled this exercise in self-flagellation is guilty of irresponsibility at best, and at worst cruelty, given that the motivation was $$$$.

On balance I think this book is meant to be the simple minded salacious "reel people in to RF personal dynamics drama" book (certainly worked for me). There's a reason it came out first in the trilogy or whatever.

Then MM's book will be some kind of "hard hitting expose" of institutional toxicity and racism (some accusations very true, some clearly untrue to Brits but which Americans may not know wider context of) which the Americans will lap up.

Harry has gone from a very tight knit family who rarely comment on personal matters , to America where everyone is open about every little thing . He obviously thinks this is the norm , whereas what most people talk about is somewhere in between .

I completely agree. All I see is a pampered man-child who has no idea about real life and is, in reality, a bit thick. I cannot fathom how anyone could read that passage about how many Taliban he killed and not realise that this directly endangers Harry and Meghan's children. How is he able to do his work for the Invictus games when so many military personnel are aghast with him sharing his "kill rate."

The jibes about Charles having a teddy bear and about William's hair loss is spiteful and makes Harry look like a bully. Publicly. Sharing intensely private information with the world shows he cannot be trusted with anything, if I was a charity working with him I'd be distancing myself from this shit show.

I don't care that he's stupid, that's not a crime and there's nothing wrong with being dim. But spiteful, bullying, indiscreet and a perpetual victim. That I can't unsee.

Who’s to say he doesn’t have PTSD after his military career and killing people in active service? An already vulnerable adolescent now a much more vulnerable adult. Happens all the time.

You have a point here. There only option now is to fully up the stakes and go all out on racism as that’s seemingly the only time they seem to get any sympathy.

Also the royal family have always played their dramas out in public.

World war 1.

World war 2.

Kaiser Wilhelm despised his mummy Victoria. Even started a war over it. Go read up what they did to ‘fix him’ as a child.

Remember one symptom of PTSD is self destructive behaviour - it is a cry for help, his vulnerabilities are being exploited.

100% agree.

I honestly don't think we have enough information to conclude that Harry has mental health issues or that Meghan is controlling (which is a serious accusation). Interestingly the only part of their 'story' that is at all positive is the relationship between them - which is - if we're to believe what we're told / shown - is very loving and happy. Maybe that bit's true. I hope so for them and their children.

I do think it's not really fair and a bit of a problem to attribute bad behaviour to mental health problems every time as if it's an excuse. Because that implies abdication of responsibility, which I don't think itself is very mentally healthy.

It's not an excuse - especially for causing other people security risks in an entirely avoidable way - and it's insulting to people who have mental health problems who manage to not be total dicks. Most people who suffer mental health problems manage their problems without destroying everyone else. He has resources of which most people can only dream. He could have checked himself into a residential therapy centre, not published a book.

If we're going to go down the 'mental health is an excuse' road, then surely that could apply to the Taliban too, most of whom will have grown up in far worse conditions than Harry? But that's not ok is it, it doesn't excuse what they're doing to women and girls.

M&H have spoken about how badly the press twist things - surely it doesn't take much brain power to see how this was going to go. They seem to have 0 self awareness, it's really bizarre, they just can't accept any outside view that isn't 100% in compliance with their thoughts. Their complaints about Notts Cott for example - that's a dream home for a large proportion of the population, did they really not see how complaining about living in luxury (for most), whilst child poverty, food bank usage etc is at a record high in the UK would go?

It's not benefiting Harry to be in this position where he can't accept criticism or advice and it reads to me as spoilt (for which the RF do bear some responsibility) rather than unwell. Hopefully this will be a watershed moment and he'll actually engage in some true self reflection after this and try to not do any more damage (e.g. by not coming to the coronation).

On sky news yesterday someone they interviewed, ex army, said he was never on the frontline he was a few miles back, so how does he know how many he killed?

Yes, I do. Conditioned and groomed by the Royal Family and now by a far more malevolent force. Now he’s controlled and has been systematically isolated by his wife, the US media and his book publishers and there is nothing healthy about the media industry in the US. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. No sane person would complain how intolerable the British media made their life and then throw themselves to the wolves of the international media. His wife has a history of seriously dysfunctional relationships and has worked in an utterly dysfunctional industry - she is clearly severely damaged by her own experiences and is damaging others in her turn, having made a beeline for an already damaged, easily manipulated, weak, vulnerable man.

I don't care that he's stupid, that's not a crime and there's nothing wrong with being dim. But spiteful, bullying, indiscreet and a perpetual victim. That I can't unsee

Perfectly put. Being a bully, spiteful and entitled isn't a mental health issue, it's just being a horrible human being.

This really hasn’t gone well for them at all has it.

Oh dear.