So- would you let someone borrow your lipgloss?

[OhMonDieux]

Princess of Wales (Catherine) was evidently not over-happy about M asking to borrow her. She did give it to her but supposedly made a 'disgusted face' as M wiped some on her finger than on her lips.

I think I am in the PofW camp here.

Years ago a work colleague who I barely new, came to work late and asked me if I had any mascara she could borrow. It happened that I did have and I gave it her (a bit reluctantly) as I felt it wasn't hygienic to share.

I'd never ask anyone if I could use their make up where it touches your skin.

No, except for my sister.

Agree with @Hillcrest2022

And it's really not so gobsmacking a favour that K was blown off her feet by the request so couldn't help screwing up her face. That's quite a reach. She's a woman who is used to dealing with all sorts of people, and is well able to produce a po face for long stretches.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

It seems the British tend not to see themselves as others see them...

The weirdness of the perception that MM was pushing fake intimacy is a reflection of the weirdness of British culture.

The level of interpersonal formality that is accepted as normal in British culture is universally considered one of the more quaint and incomprehensible aspects of Britishness (see also 'stiff upper lip', 'very British problems', etc).

The perception of MM doing a power play otoh is based on pure malice.

@HitMeWithAHotNoteAndWatchMeBounce

Mired in ignorance and self indulgent judgement of a woman from another culture which many appear to neither know anything about, understand, nor wish to understand.

HTH.

'And it's really not so gobsmacking a favour that K was blown off her feet by the request so couldn't help screwing up her face.'

So Harold says. The book seems to be full of gossipy tales rather than facts. Kate just doesn't seem the type to 'screw up her face'. I wouldn't share lipgloss it is weird thing to ask tbh. Even wierder to remember it and have someone write about it.

Some folk on here need to toughen up a bit, be more like us Brits

No culture sees themselves the way others do.

And British stiff upper lip/formalily is no more weird that the forced intimacy Meghan has tried to impose.

I would agree that it is a bizarre form of power play/marking her territory, but of course you won't see it this way.

I honestly don't understand what's so incomprehensible about a stiff upper lip and a more formal interpersonal approach. In my view is much better than constant whinging and/or fake saccharine friendliness.

If I was Meghan and trying to integrate into a family as formal this and I experienced the scenario with the blackamoor broche worn by Princess Michael of Kent. That would have been it for me and I would have been out !

I have no doubt there is ingrained racism in that family and with the wider aristocracy. It must have been awful for her to enter into that without true supportive allies on the inside (looking at you Kate) and we should acknowledge this.

No. My sister gets cold sores, so we’re very strict about it.

Is it universally the norm to share lip gloss?

Is my non sharing of lip gloss the reason I don't get Coldsores?

The only people I can see making a deal out of this is H&M.

THis Has nowt to do with how the Brits behave.

It's H&M trying to target the RF and then seeing wrongs where there are none.

Have you heard how Harry is talking about Meghan in the book. It's not normal behaviour. It's paranoid behaviour. Now that may be solely on him and she may never have manipulated him . But as his wife, she needs to get him the help he needs.

I would with friends - it’s not something that would have bothered me.

I don't even share my tapas let alone my lip gloss.

I would have in my teens/20s, but only with close friends, and I remember laughing at a friend who asked us not to 'double dip'! But these were the tiny tubs of lip gloss. I even remember a friend who'd always offer some Carmex the way you'd offer a mint if you were having one. Seems strange now tho and I wouldn't do it as a 'proper adult'!

I wouldn't be at all happy. But mascara is worse. All sorts of infections.

Mascara or any eye product is much worse

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Yes, there is the complete trifecta of misperception again - forced intimacy, fake saccharine friendship, power play.

Nothing in the way the RF behaves is normal or emotionally literate. They're a byword for dysfunctionality, but the wagons have now been circled around them and no whisper of criticism of them will ever be accepted again.

In particular, no statement or complaint of Meghan Markle's against RF members will ever be accepted. This regardless of the infamous brooch incident, and the grilling of Ngozi Fulani by Susan Hussey about where her 'people' were from.

The circling of the wagons is so tight and so comprehensive that wilfully grotesque and bizarre interpretations of MM's simple request for a favour are not only conjured up but doubled down.

All it does is prove the overarching allegation H&M are making about the Mountbatten Windsors and all their hangers on.

I have before yes.

I wouldn't ask, but if someone asked me and it seemed really important to them, I'd let them use it and probably tell them to keep it afterwards.

Once at a train station bathroom on the way to work, a group of total strangers were busying repairing our faces from the downpour outside. One woman shrieked and said "Shit! I've left my make-up bag and home and I've got a job interview!"

Every woman (including myself) started rummaging through out kits and throwing products at her. We then fought over which ones would look best and who was applying them. We had her out of there in minutes looking stunning.

Imagine the germs, arrgh! Do I care? Nup.

Oh, I didn’t realise Ngozi Fulani was actually Meghan in disguise.

Sorry.

And another thing I don't understand is why mathanxiety feels comfortable in making sweeping, usually untrue statements about a culture, British in this case, but everybody else has to bow to her/his and is suffering misperception when they don't.

In case you hadn’t noticed - and I don’t know how you couldn’t have - mathanxiety is always right. Say stuff without enough conviction and you can even convince yourself you’re right. I mean, she’s even an expert on Hollywood, thanks to moving to and living in the US.

Sorry, Freudian slip - ‘say stuff with enough conviction….’

She's seen the light then and is busy making sure we all do, even though we haven't moved to the US. Tirelessly.

As I said before, I’ve seen herpes. I do not want it.

I don’t care how many other people are perfectly comfortable sharing makeup with people in train station toilets, I’m never going to do that.

I’m perfectly entitled to refuse to ever share, in any number of situations.

Also British culture isn’t weird. What a strange, and very silly, thing to say

(Not British, in case it matters)

In that case I'd help, but let her keep the products. Wouldn't want them back.

One wonders why she couldn't apply makeup before leaving home.