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What is Harry trying to achieve?

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Butterflyfluff · 05/01/2023 13:07

On the one hand he says he wants his brother and father back but on the other hand he is selling his story to the highest bidder like some Z-list celebrity.

How does he think this will end?

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Sugarfree23 · 05/01/2023 13:28

Whatthediddlyfeck · 05/01/2023 13:25

There’s no such thing as bad publicity? I’ve just heard on the radio that now he’s saying that William and Catherine “told” him to wear the Nazi uniform…aye ok then, sure they did

Aye and if W & K had told him to jump of a cliff would he have done it?

Lozzybear · 05/01/2023 13:29

He is consumed by jealousy. I have a brother who very much reminds me of Harry. The jealousy goes back to childhood but has increased over the years as my brother perceives that I have done better in life than him. Me being in a happy, settled relationship seemed to push him over the edge so he rushed into a doomed marriage (now divorced). But that was his ex’s fault of course! So he rushed into another one! Despite professing to love our mum dearly he caused her so much grief when she was terminally ill - just like the Queen/Prince Philip. My brother never takes responsibility for his own actions, it’s always someone else’s fault - just like Harry and the Nazi costume.

Boulshired · 05/01/2023 13:31

From Netflix I honestly felt that they never thought it through and that they believed they would be supported financially. With a lifestyle that burns cash they have made money in vast sums with the only commodity they have.

BalloonSlayer · 05/01/2023 13:32

He was widely loved in the UK and loved by his family, but not all that happy. He thought he would be happy if he found a lovely wife to marry and have children with.

He did find a lovely wife to marry but she wasn't happy so therefore neither was he.

He thought they would be happy if they moved abroad.

So they did but he isn't happy because he isn't widely loved in the UK, or in his family, any more.

He thinks if he keeps explaining his side of things people will understand him and all will be well.

He doesn't get that the more he explains the less people love him.

It's sad actually. He just wanted to be happy. He is very like Diana, flailing around emotionally.

Velda · 05/01/2023 13:37

But he could have stayed as a senior member of the RF if he wanted to remain ‘relevant’
That doesn’t lead to massive wealth and celebrity though, which is what Megs wanted. Even as a senior royal you would just get a grace and favour home that you don’t actually own (and which isn’t exactly a mansion). The cars aren’t yours, the jewels are owned by the RF and merely loaned, and you’re not allowed to be too ostentatious because it would alienate the public. You can’t accept freebies or gifts, and you have to be relatable (we have all seen Catherine wearing high street clothing and £3 earrings on certain occasions).

Plus it’s well known that Megs wanted to be a “princess” but she thought it would be more glamorous. She complained about living in Nottingham Cottage because it was too small. She didn’t like the boring reality of being royal which involved things like cutting ribbons at a shitty elderly care centre in Slough. She moaned about not being allowed to accept gifts. And I doubt she was impressed by being given “relatable” Marks and Spencer clothes to wear!

pizzaHeart · 05/01/2023 13:37

Good question OP.
I agree with @SallyWD that he’s lashing out and can’t see beyond it. He is not a psychology genius, isn’t he. Plus money is a big motivation as well.
it’s a result of him coming from a disfunctional family. William also was affected he just managed it differently. I suspect both of them are not mature sensible level headed people. They’ve just got lots of money and use them to camouflage their problems.

I had quite a big emotional row with my sibling a few years ago (no swearing or pushing of course). I didn’t tell anyone except my DH who saw me crying straight after. Me telling everyone wouldn’t make the situation better, just the opposite. Would I be a teen, I probably would tell our mum and someone else. That’s the difference. I think Harry is too immature, he behaves like a teen rather.
And my sibling and I made up when she had a chance to reflect quietly on the situation. It wouldn’t happen if I would go to the papers ( not that they would be interested)

mixedrecycling · 05/01/2023 13:57

Harry does not want his father and brother back. He wants this ideal family he has built up in his head where he has a mother, father and brother and they all get on well and have a happy family life. He doesn't have that unfortunately and he's not going to have that, like lots of other people in the world. Unfortunately for him he can't see that or else just can't accept it.

I think this is a good point - the family he wants doesn't exist and never has (anywhere, for anyone).

davegrohll · 05/01/2023 13:57

Just digging himself a hole now. I used to really like Harry as he seemed 'normal' more down to earth than the others but he's turned into this guy that's constantly moaning about them

Nadal · 05/01/2023 13:57

Money. And public sympathy

Begoniasforever · 05/01/2023 14:02

It’s a mess, they wanted fame and money, and they’ve done it the wrong way. They habe tried to portray themselves as victims to get the public on side to support them, instead they look like unhinged grabby whingers. No one likes it, it’s petty shite. They have monetised their positions for their own selfish needs and abused Harry’s family for money

x2boys · 05/01/2023 14:10

To break the world record about how many threads can be started about him on mumsnet in one day?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/01/2023 14:12

Now, and going forward, he needs game and money.

There is never going to be a time that the RF will privately fund him again so if he wants his kids to grow up in luxury he needs the cash to pay for it.

Diverseopinions · 05/01/2023 14:13

Farawayfromhere · 05/01/2023 13:17

He’s obviously having some massive crisis and has lost all sense of himself and all perspective on what actual hardship is.

I think he’s surrounded himself by a load of new people and is essentially having an existential rebirth and rejecting his whole past and constructing his new self with the help of therapists and publicists. And presumably he and those around him want to make as much money as possible while he does it.

He is very misguided but I seems quite vulnerable. I feel sorry for him in some ways.

I saw in the Netflix docuseries that old clip of Diana saying that Harry is a very different character to William. She paused. 'He watches' she said. She said William is the typical enthusiastic three year old, who is in to everything.

The way she said it didn't come across very favourably to Harry. It was like she was describing typical positive qualities and more negative ones. I don't feel that she did her younger son any favours, that day, in that statement. It came across as something she wasn't going to say but was prepared for listeners to infer. It was as if there was an awkward silence because she didn't know how to express it. Saying William is lively and into everything is describing how people think and maybe hope young children will be: happy and lots of fun.

It does seem clear that Harry has a grudge against his brother and he feels bitter with his life. I never truly thought it was his idea to cast himself as the ill-favoured 'spare' for his autobiography: I thought it would be the publishers being mischievous and creating a conflict angle and focusing on the most news worthy part of his life. But clearly, I was wrong, from the snippets which gave been reported today. He has always been in conflict with William over the Heir and Spare issue.

He's bitter, but I wonder that maybe it isn't Royal Life or the press who have made him that way. Maybe Diana unconsciously showed some favouritism to William. She maybe didn't mean to, but you shouldn't really talk objectively about how your two kids are different without making it clear that it is just two equally wonderful ways of being. But William is going to get the blame for everything, unfairly.

It seems a shame to ruin William's life just because he is bitter. Why is he bitter? What isn't going his way? Money and accolades and no duty.

sashagabadon · 05/01/2023 14:15

I don’t think he has a grand plan. He said in the Oprah interview that all this was not in the plan( meaning the interview/ Netflix presumably the book) was suggested to him after his father cut him off 2nd quarter of 2020.
So he did have a “plan” presumably but I think it was the half in half out, we are international protected people, no one owns the word royal, Sussexroyal merchandise plan.
I think they have had poor advisers that to not understand the monarchy and what it is and more importantly what it is not and clearly Harry did not fully understand either.

Thymely · 05/01/2023 14:21

Will any of his A list 'friends' ever be able to trust he won't 'tell all' about them and push them under the bus if it would make him money or make him feel better. I would be extremely wary of being friendly with him or his wife (if I was in that position).

She seems to have alienated all of her family and they are now working on alienating all of his, a marriage made in heaven!

fartichoke · 05/01/2023 14:25

Not sure.

He thinks he's in a Greek tragedy.

Actually, love, it's Eastenders and you're Phil Mitchell.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/01/2023 14:25

I think they have had poor advisers that to not understand the monarchy and what it is and more importantly what it is not and clearly Harry did not fully understand either.

Did they have poor advisers or just advisers that they’ve never been willing to listen to?

MajorCarolDanvers · 05/01/2023 14:26

Its all for money and ego.

Swissmountains · 05/01/2023 14:29
  1. Money
  2. Revenge

In that order.

Oher · 05/01/2023 14:29

Velda · 05/01/2023 13:17

He just wants money. Megs has convinced him that as “the spare” he will gradually become more irrelevant, so the only way to assure his future and the future of his kids is to get as much cash as possible while he still can.

This

GyozaGuiting · 05/01/2023 14:30

It’s a shame, he definitely thinks his USA style therapy ‘break throughs’ will make the British public sympathise.
But culturally we’re very different. More stoic, a lot less keen to air dirty laundry on our family in public. He’s got this really wrong, the tide has really turned against him. I hope he gives up now for his sake, and his kids.

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Butterflyfluff · 05/01/2023 14:30

x2boys · 05/01/2023 14:10

To break the world record about how many threads can be started about him on mumsnet in one day?

Yet here you are in the Royal Family section reading and posting on them 🤔

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Bugeyedowl · 05/01/2023 14:31

Diverseopinions · 05/01/2023 14:13

I saw in the Netflix docuseries that old clip of Diana saying that Harry is a very different character to William. She paused. 'He watches' she said. She said William is the typical enthusiastic three year old, who is in to everything.

The way she said it didn't come across very favourably to Harry. It was like she was describing typical positive qualities and more negative ones. I don't feel that she did her younger son any favours, that day, in that statement. It came across as something she wasn't going to say but was prepared for listeners to infer. It was as if there was an awkward silence because she didn't know how to express it. Saying William is lively and into everything is describing how people think and maybe hope young children will be: happy and lots of fun.

It does seem clear that Harry has a grudge against his brother and he feels bitter with his life. I never truly thought it was his idea to cast himself as the ill-favoured 'spare' for his autobiography: I thought it would be the publishers being mischievous and creating a conflict angle and focusing on the most news worthy part of his life. But clearly, I was wrong, from the snippets which gave been reported today. He has always been in conflict with William over the Heir and Spare issue.

He's bitter, but I wonder that maybe it isn't Royal Life or the press who have made him that way. Maybe Diana unconsciously showed some favouritism to William. She maybe didn't mean to, but you shouldn't really talk objectively about how your two kids are different without making it clear that it is just two equally wonderful ways of being. But William is going to get the blame for everything, unfairly.

It seems a shame to ruin William's life just because he is bitter. Why is he bitter? What isn't going his way? Money and accolades and no duty.

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Interesting. Perhaps Diana didn't protect him enough from the press (and public) insinuations that Charles isn't really his father. He was probably aware of everything that was being said, kids are more aware than we think. Plus he seems the type to want to fit in and worry about what others think, which is perfectly normal. All that on top of the fact that he was seen as second to the 'golden' child, a ginger (there were ginger jokes about him when he was a child), being called the 'spare'... I'm not surprised he's bitter.

Oher · 05/01/2023 14:32

“Hey Dad, is it true that my Grandfather is the King of England?”

“Yes, that’s true.”

”Cool! Can I meet him?”

”Erm.”

Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 14:33

Harry doesn't want his family back. It's just a headline he's putting out there to get maximum publicity. He thinks it will sway public opinion in his favour. I just think he's a lying, vindictive manipulator consumed with jealousy that he's not first in line to the throne.

As a PR girl it's clear they are just crying to get as much publicity and make as much money as possible and will stoop to whatever level it takes.