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King Charles to pay for Duke of York’s private security

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tatalan · 20/12/2022 01:35

Monarch expected to foot £3m bill for guards.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2022.12.19-193449/www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/19/king-charles-pay-duke-yorks-private-security-refusing-do-prince/#selection-1193.1-1193.56" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">King Charles to pay for Duke of York’s private security

Fascinating. What do we think?

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Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:33

StarbucksSmarterSister · 20/12/2022 10:23

And Epstien was found guilty of procuring a 14 year old child for prostitution and put on the sex offenders register.

He also went to prison (did a plea bargain so several other charges were dropped and served a year). This was in 2008. Wiki gives sources for those who wish to check.

It was widely known, there is no way Andrew didn't know.

I thought Prince Andrews friendship/association with Epstein was from 1999 to 2001? So where is evidence he knew about Epstein a good six years before Epstein was arrested in 2007 and convicted in 2008? And perhaps he suspected in 2001 and so stopped associating with him?

There was footage “reportedly” said to be from 2011, of Andrew waving goodbye to someone from Epstein’s house, but that hasn’t been verified as the true date for the footage in question.

Or am I missing evidence?

BethJ62 · 20/12/2022 11:33

clyspa · 20/12/2022 11:30

Goodness so much pearl clutching

You know those threads where people agree that you can't assume or expect people to do something just because of their relationship like grandparents not requiring to babysit grandkids? I think the same logic applies - Charles can choose to finance his brother and not his son if he so chooses. Not our business if his own money.

Further perplexed how some peoples minds work:

  1. Inability to hold two separate concepts at one time - 1 for Andrew and 1 for Harry but instead they are inextricably linked
  1. Belief that actions of one family member is a definitive statement on the whole family. The whole family is racist, lazy, sleazy etc

My uncle has been inside -does that make all my family criminals just by association?

  1. Do away with monarchy because an elected figure head would be so much better / really? Because they wont also be more privileged? Not have any embarrassing relatives or scandals?

Urgh

Yes !! This is it . It is not an either / or situation. You can like or dislike both Andrew and Harry .
I also have a relative who has been in prison for a pretty terrible crime - am I also guilty because I spoke to them briefly when I met them in Tesco ??

AreOttersJustWetCats · 20/12/2022 11:39

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:33

I thought Prince Andrews friendship/association with Epstein was from 1999 to 2001? So where is evidence he knew about Epstein a good six years before Epstein was arrested in 2007 and convicted in 2008? And perhaps he suspected in 2001 and so stopped associating with him?

There was footage “reportedly” said to be from 2011, of Andrew waving goodbye to someone from Epstein’s house, but that hasn’t been verified as the true date for the footage in question.

Or am I missing evidence?

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Andrew was photographed going for a stroll with Epstein in New York in 2010, and it has never been claimed that the photo was faked. So no, their association did not end in 2001.

minou123 · 20/12/2022 11:39

@BethJ62 and @clyspa .

As far as I'm aware Andrew was not related to Epstien.

So what has your family members got to do with this?

I'll put the same question to you.

If you are not guilty by association, then are you friends with convicted sex offenders? If not, why not?

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 11:46

I thought Prince Andrews friendship/association with Epstein was from 1999 to 2001?

"In July 2006, Jeffrey Epstein was invited to a masked ball at Windsor Castle to celebrate the 18th birthday of Princess Beatrice, Prince Andrew's elder daughter."

"The previous month, Epstein was charged with one count of solicitation of prostitution."

"Prince Andrew said it was wrong of him to visit and stay at Epstein's house in 2010 after the financier's conviction"

Why do you think it ended in 2001?

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 11:47

why did Andrew get stripped of royal duties if he's done nothing wrong?

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:49

AreOttersJustWetCats · 20/12/2022 11:39

Andrew was photographed going for a stroll with Epstein in New York in 2010, and it has never been claimed that the photo was faked. So no, their association did not end in 2001.

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Ok,
Yes, I saw he did a sever ties thing in 2010 after Epstein was released. The photo looks pretty serious. No happy faces. He was out in the US anyway as trade envoy so went to NYC…not sure if asked to or ? But one photo in 2010 years doesn’t = a friendship past 2001 imho. Not for celebrities that are literally tracked everywhere they go.

So that is one photo of him plus Epstein after 2001. Where is the evidence for 2002-2007 (Epstein was arrested and in prison for 2008-2010)?

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:51

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 11:46

I thought Prince Andrews friendship/association with Epstein was from 1999 to 2001?

"In July 2006, Jeffrey Epstein was invited to a masked ball at Windsor Castle to celebrate the 18th birthday of Princess Beatrice, Prince Andrew's elder daughter."

"The previous month, Epstein was charged with one count of solicitation of prostitution."

"Prince Andrew said it was wrong of him to visit and stay at Epstein's house in 2010 after the financier's conviction"

Why do you think it ended in 2001?

Because that’s what the timelines in the various news channels said? They all stop in 2001 and then pick up in 2010 with Prince Andrew having only the one meeting a pp mentioned. Wasn’t aware of the birthday party thing at all. Thank you for posting.

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:52

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 11:46

I thought Prince Andrews friendship/association with Epstein was from 1999 to 2001?

"In July 2006, Jeffrey Epstein was invited to a masked ball at Windsor Castle to celebrate the 18th birthday of Princess Beatrice, Prince Andrew's elder daughter."

"The previous month, Epstein was charged with one count of solicitation of prostitution."

"Prince Andrew said it was wrong of him to visit and stay at Epstein's house in 2010 after the financier's conviction"

Why do you think it ended in 2001?

Hmmm. Your link to the BBC doesn’t say who was invited? How do you know Epstein was invited?

AreOttersJustWetCats · 20/12/2022 11:59

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:52

Hmmm. Your link to the BBC doesn’t say who was invited? How do you know Epstein was invited?

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Why are you so keen to insist that PA had no association with epstein post-conviction, despite the fact that it is well established that he did?

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 11:59

tatalan · 20/12/2022 09:11

Get your facts straight. Harry is in court fighting for the right to pay for his own security, he doesn't want your money. If he loses (which he will) then at least he can say he tried.

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Now he is, yes.
But originally he expected for it to be paid for him. We saw this in both the show and Oprah interview.
Once he was told no, he could have it, he then offered to pay. And was still told no.

Fair enough he’s trying, but to frame it as he always offered to pay is disingenuous. He famously didn’t have any money, and after leaving to become ‘financially independent’ then complained he was ‘cut off’.

Just another in a long list of things Harry failed to think through properly in advance before his announcement

AreOttersJustWetCats · 20/12/2022 12:01

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:51

Because that’s what the timelines in the various news channels said? They all stop in 2001 and then pick up in 2010 with Prince Andrew having only the one meeting a pp mentioned. Wasn’t aware of the birthday party thing at all. Thank you for posting.

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If PA was seeing Epstein in 2010, it is safe to assume that their association covered the intervening period back to 2001. Just because the public hasn't seen the letters, phone calls etc. doesn't mean they won't have happened. 2010 was just one meeting in the context of a longstanding relationship - a relationship that was close enough for Epstein to give Fergie thousands of pounds.

RedHelenB · 20/12/2022 12:02

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 06:11

he’s an elderly man who has been accused of something but has never been prosecuted or been proven guilty.

he's guilty of keeping dodgy company though isn't he?

You could say the same about Jimmy Saville.

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 12:02

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:24

Frankly, it’s the media shit stirring. As it says
King Charles to likely pay for Prince Andrew's private security – after refusing to do so for Harry. Monarch expected to foot £3m bill for guards, in a move likely to irritate the Duke and Duchess of Sussex

This means the RF hasn’t said anything about being willing to pay for Prince Andrew. The media are just saying in their opinion it is ‘likely’ and ‘expected’.

Someone has an agenda.

Exactly, it’s all speculation.
And quite goes against Harry’s accusations that the RF have the media in their pocket

kingtamponthefurred · 20/12/2022 12:03

he’s an elderly man

He is 62. Not exactly in his dotage. He won't qualify for the state pension for several years.

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tatalan · 20/12/2022 12:03

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 11:59

Now he is, yes.
But originally he expected for it to be paid for him. We saw this in both the show and Oprah interview.
Once he was told no, he could have it, he then offered to pay. And was still told no.

Fair enough he’s trying, but to frame it as he always offered to pay is disingenuous. He famously didn’t have any money, and after leaving to become ‘financially independent’ then complained he was ‘cut off’.

Just another in a long list of things Harry failed to think through properly in advance before his announcement

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The docu-series did expose that they were far more unprepared than they should have been 😑

I'm sure they've learnt their lesson now.

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sinkyt · 20/12/2022 12:04

@Onnabugeisha did you not watch his car crash interview? I don't know if he was invited perhaps the BBC is lying?

minou123 · 20/12/2022 12:05

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 11:52

Hmmm. Your link to the BBC doesn’t say who was invited? How do you know Epstein was invited?

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Hmm. You could have just googled it.
All I had to put in was"BBC Epstein and Masked Ball"

www.bbc.com/news/uk-49411215.amp

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 12:06

Why are you so keen to insist that PA had no association with epstein post-conviction, despite the fact that it is well established that he did?

It's really weird tbh & all the people justifying that know criminals.

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 12:07

@RedHelenB why do you think he was stripped of royal duties though?

What's Jimmy Saville got to do with Andrew?

Roussette · 20/12/2022 12:09

BethJ62 · 20/12/2022 11:19

@Roussette i can’t decide if you are being deliberately obtuse or genuinely don’t understand what I , and others , are saying .

Genuinely don't understand. I have pointed out facts, unsavoury though they might be to you.

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 12:09

The Andrew thing to me is a bit of a red herring.
(For clarity, I think Andrew is an odious man, so no defending him from me)

The difference is that Harry no longer lives in the country. And he was never without security whilst in this country.

It’s not so much as paying for security, as it seems to be paying for police intel. The police WILL provide security, if they deem there to be a need.

This will be based on their intel, which unfortunately for Harry isn’t for sale.

He can pay for and have private security, he cannot pay for the police to be his private bodyguards if they cannot substantiate it from a police POV.

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 12:14

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 12:04

@Onnabugeisha did you not watch his car crash interview? I don't know if he was invited perhaps the BBC is lying?

No, I cannot afford a TV licence so cannot watch TV or BBC iplayer.

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 12:15

you probably should watch it tbh if you are going to discuss the issue, you may learn something...

Onnabugeisha · 20/12/2022 12:16

AreOttersJustWetCats · 20/12/2022 11:59

Why are you so keen to insist that PA had no association with epstein post-conviction, despite the fact that it is well established that he did?

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I’m not? I’m asking for evidence there was such a friendship during the years any reasonable person should have known about Epstein. What’s wrong with that?