Are William and Kate modernisers?

[antelopevalley]

I have seen this viewpoint on a number of occasions that William and Kate are modernisers and will modernise the Royal Family. What do you think?

Personally I think Charles is a moderniser, and William and Kate are traditionalists and will change nothing of any importance unless they have to. And example of Charles push to modernise is that he wants to be defender of all faiths. Whatever you think about it, this is a major constitutional change. It decouples the Royal Family from the Church of England and couples them instead to a belief in God however it is expressed. I could not imagine William and Kate doing this.

p.s. Charles has been talking about many changes including to defender of the faith long before Camilla was officially on the scene, which is why I have not mentioned her.

Subjects? Really?

They are just another lot of human beings on this planet to me. I am not their 'subject'.

No I don't see them as moderniser or anything at all.
I see grimacing pained expression looking into zoom calls but what do they do about issue's?

What impact are they actually having. Perhaps they simply can't because of who they are.

I don't see them as at all relatable. How can Kate Relate to anyone?
I see Harry and Megan as true modernisers and people that lots can relate too. I also find them more accessible and open.

I think Charles got his passion for the environment from his father.
Prince Philip was also very environmentally aware.
There’s a documentary type thing on YouTube where Philip was interviewed in German about it.
I remember watching it after he had died (not the whole thing, but a German YouTuber looking at his accent) who said it was clear that Philip was a native German speaker but clearly hadn’t spoken it for a while as he was searching for words etc
It was quite interesting. I think Philip was a fascinating character and he had a bloody hard life

They come across as quite dull. Perhaps that's what is required to keep the monarchy going.

Not sure about the faith aspects of it, neither of them seem to have any religious practice at all.

I don’t think either Charles or William will be a great moderniser of royal life by choice.

There was clear opportunities when the LP’s were issued following the primogeniture changes to level the playing field for girls with regard to titles and inheritances and it wasn’t taken.

At that point whilst the Queen was still in charge overall it was very clear that Charles was getting a bigger and bigger say. I think he’s as traditional, and as sexist, as royals have always been.

Sorry to have triggered you.

What I (obviously) meant was the people they visiting and engaging with, the people involved in their visits.

Pretend I used the word ‘people’ instead, that’ll make you feel better.

Overprivileged whingeing millionaires complaining that daddy cut them off are relatable modernisers? Really?

Triggered hahaha, don't be daft!

I find it odd that anyone would consider themselves to be a subject, that's all !

'People' much much better

Lydia I have a different perspective on what privileged means to you and I wouldn't say what either of them have been through is privileged.

William and Kate have a shocking work ethic. Consistently the lowest ranking royals in terms of royal engagements, Kate in particular. Look at the figures out this week and from 2011. Kate has long been a work shirker, pre and post children. She rakes in the privilege and gives very little back.
They can never be modernisers as they are work shy and too busy being entitled.

Princess Anne and King Charles on the other hand ranking at the top of the Royal engagement list.They are hard working individuals and most likely to effect any change.

@wishingyouwell As your such a prolific poster with an obsession with hating Kate people reading just start to ignore you after a while.

It just becomes white noise.

@nogginatemycat Own goal as you are not ignoring.
The inconvenient truth is hard to swallow I realise.

Really? What is your definition of privileged, in this context?

@wishingyouwell Over Egging the Pudding 🐣🍮

Agree with this.

I just imagine @wishingyouwell sigs in her hour and repeats the words ‘shocking work ethic. Shocking work ethic’ like a broken robot.

She has never stated what a suitable work ethic would look like though. Hope it’s cosy in that echo chamber.

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet ☝💯

All the while grinding her teeth

@SallyLockheart Why would I? I only pointed out some one is aprolific poster of the same thing. Sorry are am I annoying you?

The queen has only been gone a few months, and the RF have had to hunker down while Harry and Meghan throw their toys out of the pram, so modernising is something that charles has to lead, but he and William have a close relationship and I think they'll work it out together. Kate has spent the last 10 years being a mum and learning the ropes. I think in her 40s she will start to look more at supporting changes.

The stats speak for themselves and are indicative of a shocking work ethic and an entitled attitude. Check Princess Anne and King Charles's accomplishments, royal engagements over the years for a good barometer of work ethic.

It's the inconvenient truth and it's winding you up. Glad to be of service.

She has 3 young children. Do you think she should ignore their formative years and hand them over to nanny's ? Maybe perpetuate the problems found in the offspring of royals?

It’s really not winding me up. Sorry about that.

Let me explain.

Phrases like ‘shocking work ethic’ are very subjective. Usually you have to back it up with facts and stats and say what you WOULD consider a good work ethic - eg number of engagements.

Despite being asked to on several threads, you won’t do that. You just keep bleating on the same phrases and seemingly getting a hard on at the thought of annoying other posters.

I did demonstrate on another thread why I thought Catherine worked a normal amount of hours for a woman in her situation with young children. You just whine ‘lazy, shocking’. If nothing else, it’s just annoyingly incompetent to do that.

This is also my point - @wishingyouwell will say ‘they have nannies’ as if the only problem is that they need someone to cook their kid’s tea.

Catherine had an excellent upbringing with wonderful parents and wants the same for her children. William had an awful upbringing with two idiots raising him and he wants to avoid that. Totally reasonable for them to want to be present for their children so they don’t end up in the messes the Queen’s children and GC have found themselves in due to shitty parenting.

Catherine, and William to an extent, were always going to have lower engagements while the Queen was alive. They were always going to be picking up patronage’s and causes as she, and Philip, relinquished then, and as Charles had to pass things on as he took up roles from his parents.

Thats how it works. Otherwise things would just be dropped completely when the Queen needed to give stuff up. The capacity was always going to be kept, it’s how they do it.

You can check the stats for yourselves, they are available for everyone. They speak to her shocking work ethic.

Children aren't an excuse, she could be doing a lot more engagements and the fact that pre-children her stats were very low only amplifies the point of long-standing laziness. Frankly it's an insult to tax-paying working mothers and all others for that matter.

King Charles has an excellent work ethic, as does Princess Anne. If you are throwing the term 'idiots' around I would send it the way of the work shirkers. She could learn a lot about work from these two but a sense of entitlement prevents her from doing so.