Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

YABU. They wanted their privacy, they wouldn't release photos or information to the press, they wanted to stop being working royals and leave the country.

Then they sell their souls and photos to Netflix for millions and whine about losing all their privileges.

They can't have it both ways.

They need to quit whining on about the RF and just live their own lives quietly in USA.

They want to stay in the limelight, but they can't have it both ways. Meghan can go back to her acting if she wants. Harry can give motivational speeches. But leave the RF out of it.

@skyeisthelimit what motivational speeches could H credibly give though, and to whom!
He has no experience of life in the real world, has not experienced unemployment, homelessness, poverty etc. Sure he has suffered MH problems but from his interviews etc he has not overcome this and there are those better qualified to do this.
If he was motivated surely he’d have planned to get education or training to lead a useful life. Or he can live off his fortune and have a private life out of the limelight.
It appears, however, that they are both addicted to being “celebrities” . Not positive role models for their children.

@Longdarkcloud, that made me laugh. I read somewhere that was what he is doing now .

I presume he could talk about his army experience maybe.

I agree, that since being with her they seem to want to be celebrities.

I think being an american actress, she was used to stardom and thought she would be revered within the RF but instead she was told to know her place and she didn't like it.

They were never going to be treated equally to K & W, due to Harry being the "spare" but I don't think M could understand that or deal with it.

I think good luck to them, but yeah, live your quiet life in obscurity, or do some actual good somehow

You do realise this whole exercise, with its soft focus, emotive language and video clips, piano music echoing sad and moving movies, tugging on your heartstrings with this grieving little boy, is all manipulation? Beautifully done of course, but designed to evoke sympathy in gullible people.

I don’t think they wanted privacy. They wanted control. Different things.

But it is challenging to have any sort of control with the media because the press is a law unto itself.

YABU. They wanted their privacy, they wouldn't release photos or information to the press, they wanted to stop being working royals and leave the country.

Then they sell their souls and photos to Netflix for millions and whine about losing all their privileges.

They can't have it both ways.

the public didn’t want H&M having public money, they were cut off financially and are now making their own way with money they inherited or make

you can’t have it both ways…

im not a fan, but Sarah Ferguson repaid her debts from money she made and this pair have done the same

Pretty sure Fergie gets people like Epstein to pay her debts, actually

I don’t think they wanted privacy. They wanted control.
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I like our constitutional monarchy as they serve us and largely are quiet about things so leave democracy alone without having to worry about awful dictators or presidents.
I am sure the H&M thing will die down and they will live their new life in the US and hopefully bring the children to see both grandfathers.

H&M are very privileged, private schools etc and do seem to be doing a lot of complaining about things. May be that makes them feel better. It does not mean the royal family should or will respond and people can make up their own minds.

That's what I found disappointing and made me switch off. I thought it was said months ago, when NF was following them everywhere, filming their lives, that we were going to see them at work, doing behind the scenes Invictus stuff, the working at Archwell etc.

I didn't read the narrative in the press/media, so I have a fairly open mind about all this. I haven't watched any of the documentaries either - we don't have Netflix. Most of what I have gleaned has been from MN, so a right mixture from every side of opinion you could wish for! I just feel sad for the entire family that it has blown up so spectacularly.

I thought it was the RF who cut them off. The public had nothing to do with the decision. It would have been Government/RF decisions. Not a working royal, no money from the royal purse, its as simple as that.

of course they are entitled to earn money, but they don't need to trash the RF in the process. Poor "terrified" little Harry. God knows how he coped in the army with his senior officers shouting at him.

There is so much they could do without trashing the RF but of course their value only lies in their celebrity doesn't it. So if they quietly fade away, so does their earning power.

They wanted to make money out of the Sussex name, were stopped from doing so and threw their toys out of the pram. This is their revenge.

The only side showing any class at the moment are the RF who are quite rightly not commenting on this trash.

The public had nothing to do with the decision. It would have been Government/RF decisions. Not a working royal, no money from the royal purse, its as simple as that.

of course the public have a handle in what happens, public opinion of the royal family is important and throughout history has always been important, therefore a uesciosn will be swayed by what the RF believe is in the best interest of the firm and without public opinion the royal family is not important and will fail. This is tied up with the media relationship with the royal family

of course they are entitled to earn money, but they don't need to trash the RF in the process. Poor "terrified" little Harry. God knows how he coped in the army with his senior officers shouting at him.

if they want to sell out to Netflix then they can, you & I don't get to decide that. The fact its been incredibly popular will no doubt bring forward many other deals.

DuchessDandelion. show your source for this, it was the WW deal that paid off her debts

Are you querying Epstein giving money to SF. It's out there. It's fact. It's appalling.

My problem with them is:

There's nothing on their side accepted as responsibility of what happened. Nothing. From the beginning till now, they have been only the victims through and through. Really? When you fell out with someone, even on the AIBU board, people try to see other people's point of view and try to understand if "we" could have done/feel differently. Nothing from their part. M claims she did her best, so it's everyone else against her. Just like her whole life, with every single relative of hers (apart from her mother who's been absent in a large part of her life).

They were funded by tax payers of this country. Their wedding and their lifestyle. She said nothing but complain (what a small cottage they were gifted in the Buckingham Palace ground!)

I get that, this life of being told what to do is not for her. But please stop being a bitch taking a great deal of benefit still complaining not good enough. How are the ordinary people in this country who funded you to get about?

I've never followed closely on the press or their interview or this documentary. Just enough to not like her. If I wasn't one of the tax payers, I would have been disturbed/cared less.

I wonder if anyone has actually told her about the taxpayers? I can help but wonder because they are so monumentally entitled and ungrateful it’s a slap in the face to those of us working and struggling who paid tax to fund that extravagant wedding, the jewels, the dresses, the security, the cars, the carriages and the properties etc. All these things that were never good enough. Such hateful Marie Antoinette behaviours.

And yet all of us critics are meant to be just racist, nothing else… 🙄

Are you querying Epstein giving money to SF. It's out there. It's fact. It's appalling.

im querying the debts SF paid off with money she made herself from WW you said it was paid of by Epstein and not from the money she made herself , now you’re saying he gave SF the money

No just all the general haters on here

There was also a newspaper sting where SF was caught being given money so a sheikh could have access to Prince Andrew when he was a trade envoy. She looked so grateful to be given the money.

SF gets £12k a year - yes really - in her divorce settlement from PA. Unlike Diana she had and has no family money to fall back on.

Enjoyed it and found it good to hear what their side is and not the media

I didn't say that.

Another poster did.

Yes, he gave SF money. Loads of proof out there he did.

I believe them more than I believe the inane rantings on here.

Roussette

ive answered the question asked, whether you asked it or someone else isn’t relevant, I’ve answered it

What on earth were some of you watching? They didn’t complain about either Nott Cottage or Frogmore. They said they imagined bringing their children up at Frogmore. There was a clear sadness that they were not able to do that.

Honestly some of the frothers on here must surely be paid bots.