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Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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JackandVera · 21/12/2022 20:16

I do feel sorry for the people who think that the dislike of M is all down to her being of mixed race. It suggests that they are not very aware and it is just easy to jump on the easiest bandwagon . There is this "other attitude" too of supporting someone just because they are the same ethnicity as yourself. Who cares what Stormzy has to say. He's hardly a great world thinker, is he? He himself has made homophobic tweets in the past.

Ohnonevermind · 21/12/2022 20:24

i don’t recall anyone on these threads being anything but complimentary of Michele Obama, so that’s a load of nonsense.

a number of times Michele’s wonderful phrase’ when they go low, we go high) has been quoted by people on these threads and her achievements and intelligence have been noted along with her love of family.

shes a far better role model than MM to be fair.

Morestrangethings · 21/12/2022 20:29

Quirkyme · 21/12/2022 12:32

"I don't think most people in the UK had any concern about MM having some black ancestors at all. It is very unfair the way UK has been portrayed as very racist. They may not like MM for other reasons but usually not for that reason."

LOL

I’m in Australia, and whenever a First Nations woman is picked on for having a strong opinion, and treated unfairly, the opinions divide too. There are those who see the responses for exactly what they are - racist And there are those who argue it’s not racism because ‘she did this or that’ and it ‘has nothing to do with colour.’ But when you look at the people leading the charge against her, the 2 or 3 dog whistling politicians, certain sky news presenters, certain radio shock jocks, it becomes flaming obvious that it is racism.

SenecaFallsRedux · 21/12/2022 20:33

i don’t recall anyone on these threads being anything but complimentary of Michele Obama, so that’s a load of nonsense.

If you read my post, you will see that I was not talking about anything said on this thread about Michelle Obama. I was drawing a parallel, a comparison. I assume that you are unaware of some of the vitriol that was directed toward Michelle Obama in the US.

Ticketyboots · 21/12/2022 20:48

Ohnonevermind · 21/12/2022 18:40

@SenecaFallsRedux

If posters think lying is acceptable or not and tie themselves in knots minimising or excusing it (and this has nothing to do with race or sex), it just means you can’t speak from any position of authority when a person you don’t like tells lies (like Boris Johnson or Trump)

It’s far easier to call out when you don’t like the person, but for me it’s a fatal character flaw when a person lies for self promotion.

It’s interesting that Boris and Trump have been mentioned - also with charismatic, deluded, grandiose, self serving personality traits who also polarise people - some people see through it - others can’t or admire those characteristics.

GreenLunchBox · 21/12/2022 22:18

JackandVera · 21/12/2022 20:16

I do feel sorry for the people who think that the dislike of M is all down to her being of mixed race. It suggests that they are not very aware and it is just easy to jump on the easiest bandwagon . There is this "other attitude" too of supporting someone just because they are the same ethnicity as yourself. Who cares what Stormzy has to say. He's hardly a great world thinker, is he? He himself has made homophobic tweets in the past.

And who cares what you have to say?

GreenLunchBox · 21/12/2022 22:22

Morestrangethings · 21/12/2022 20:29

I’m in Australia, and whenever a First Nations woman is picked on for having a strong opinion, and treated unfairly, the opinions divide too. There are those who see the responses for exactly what they are - racist And there are those who argue it’s not racism because ‘she did this or that’ and it ‘has nothing to do with colour.’ But when you look at the people leading the charge against her, the 2 or 3 dog whistling politicians, certain sky news presenters, certain radio shock jocks, it becomes flaming obvious that it is racism.

Exactly. We've got an actual paedophile in the RF who doesn't get even an iota of hate. Of course it's about race.

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 02:13

JackandVera · 21/12/2022 20:16

I do feel sorry for the people who think that the dislike of M is all down to her being of mixed race. It suggests that they are not very aware and it is just easy to jump on the easiest bandwagon . There is this "other attitude" too of supporting someone just because they are the same ethnicity as yourself. Who cares what Stormzy has to say. He's hardly a great world thinker, is he? He himself has made homophobic tweets in the past.

I myself feel sorry for those who think that much of the criticism MM is facing isn’t due to her race.
It suggests they are truly ignorant or liars.
I am pleased that Stormzy jumped on the ANTI racism ‘bandwagon’. I am pleased to be on the same ANTI racism’ bandwagon’ as Stormzy.
One doesn’t have to be a ‘world thinker’ to realise that racism is evil

MrsTumblebee · 22/12/2022 02:39

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 02:13

I myself feel sorry for those who think that much of the criticism MM is facing isn’t due to her race.
It suggests they are truly ignorant or liars.
I am pleased that Stormzy jumped on the ANTI racism ‘bandwagon’. I am pleased to be on the same ANTI racism’ bandwagon’ as Stormzy.
One doesn’t have to be a ‘world thinker’ to realise that racism is evil

You can feel sorry for people as much as you like but it will never change the fact that not everything is about race no matter how much you want it to be.

MrsTumblebee · 22/12/2022 02:43

GreenLunchBox · 21/12/2022 22:18

And who cares what you have to say?

Im interested and no doubt others will be also.

The op has summed it up in a nutshell actually but unlike her I don’t feel sorry for people who think any dislike for Meghan is due to her race.

I just don’t think about them at all.

MrsTumblebee · 22/12/2022 02:56

GreenLunchBox · 21/12/2022 22:22

Exactly. We've got an actual paedophile in the RF who doesn't get even an iota of hate. Of course it's about race.

Andrew is many things but he’s not a Paedophile.

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 03:09

I don’t know whether Andrew is a paedophile or not. However, what I do know is that he was a close friend of a convicted sex trafficker whose home he stayed at.
He was also close friends with Ghislaine Maxwell . A notorious madam and sex trafficker. Tell me with who you go and I will tell you who you are
The public were not given the opportunity to discover what Andrew’s involvement was in the whole sordid affair because millions of pounds was paid to a victim of sex trafficking .

Absolute disgrace

MrsTumblebee · 22/12/2022 03:53

Tell me with who you go and I will tell you who you are

I believe Oprah Winfrey was a friend of Harvey Weinstein so I’m not sure the above quote holds much water unless there’s another side to her that’s kept well hidden. Not that I think there is.

As for Andrew. He’s despicable. As is the approach the palace has taken to handling it.

MarshaMelrose · 22/12/2022 04:08

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 03:09

I don’t know whether Andrew is a paedophile or not. However, what I do know is that he was a close friend of a convicted sex trafficker whose home he stayed at.
He was also close friends with Ghislaine Maxwell . A notorious madam and sex trafficker. Tell me with who you go and I will tell you who you are
The public were not given the opportunity to discover what Andrew’s involvement was in the whole sordid affair because millions of pounds was paid to a victim of sex trafficking .

Absolute disgrace

But it was Virginia Guiffre who closed the possibility of a trial by accepting the money. She could have just turned down any money so she could put her side out in public.
Are you really calling her a disgrace for depriving you of the chance to listen to all the salacious details?

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 05:23

MarshaMelrose · 22/12/2022 04:08

But it was Virginia Guiffre who closed the possibility of a trial by accepting the money. She could have just turned down any money so she could put her side out in public.
Are you really calling her a disgrace for depriving you of the chance to listen to all the salacious details?

The onus should have been on the son of the
Queen to attend court in America in order to face questions with regard to very serious allegations regarding sexual offences against minors

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 05:37

MrsTumblebee · 22/12/2022 03:53

Tell me with who you go and I will tell you who you are

I believe Oprah Winfrey was a friend of Harvey Weinstein so I’m not sure the above quote holds much water unless there’s another side to her that’s kept well hidden. Not that I think there is.

As for Andrew. He’s despicable. As is the approach the palace has taken to handling it.

I can’t comment about the ‘friendship’ between Oprah Winfrey and Weinstein because I don’t know what type of a friendship it was. I don’t know if it was a genuine friendship or whether he was an acquaintance who she was friendly with .Anyway we digress

In Andrew’s case , we all know that he was a very close friend of a Epstein and visited him in his home after Epstein had been convicted of sex crimes
In doing so he has tarred the monarchy

MrsTumblebee · 22/12/2022 05:55

I don’t believe he’s tarred the Monarchy. Unless we’re going back to ‘tell me with who you go….’ And I’m not really a believer in that to any great extent.

Unfortunately though RF have managed very well to tar themselves by the way they’ve handled the situation.

Morestrangethings · 22/12/2022 07:15

First born Charles….squeaky clean?

Xenia · 22/12/2022 07:51

In a sense the issues with Prince Andrew over the decades and how he would earn a living are why King Charles wants to slim down the monarchy so even if having an heir and a spare is a good idea you don't have a lot of other royals caught within the system but not able to make money in the ways the rest of us easily can etc.

Andrew is Harry in terms of royal status and both have had to grapple with what is their role. As soon as Charles had William Andrew's role as the heir after Charles went so that leave the issue of how that person then earns a living and how they live.

I hope Prince Harry can find a way of life that suits him and makes his family happy. The genetic origins of his wife are genuinely pretty irrelevant to most people in the UK. I am pretty certain oif that. It is more that a kind of brash American tell the press all kind of stuff has been Harry's new way that has been the problem, a clash of cultures - he chose the American way in a sense and that does not go down that well with a lot of people in the UK. Tell all for money basically which is not a nice look.

Andrew was "randy Andy" in the press for years and appeared to have had some dubious deals re. the middle east. Prince A says he cannot remember if he were intimate with Victoria G (who recently had to withdraw completely untrue and very unfair accusations against a US lawyer (he graciously said as she was young at the time may be she muddle him with someone else) shortly after Prince A had (in my view very foolishly) paid VG off). Also VG was not particularly young so all this very anti monarchist defamatory stuff about Prince A is pretty awful in my view using the P word against him. As someone said above there are a lot of things he has been criticised for over the years but that is probably the least fair.

MarshaMelrose · 22/12/2022 09:15

Lampzade · 22/12/2022 05:23

The onus should have been on the son of the
Queen to attend court in America in order to face questions with regard to very serious allegations regarding sexual offences against minors

Why is the onus on PA? He's just following court practices. Virginia Guiffre had the opportunity to put him in the witness box to answer questions and publicly expose what he'd done. She chose the money - and that could be for a variety of reasons.
Ultimately the ball was in her court how she wanted it to play out and this was what she chose.
I guess if the USA want him to face a criminal prosecution in the US, that's up to the authorities to pursue that. So far they haven't. Personally I'd never put myself in a foreign legal jurisdiction no matter how innocent I believed myself to be.

HymenOrNot · 22/12/2022 10:20

All this stuff about Prince Andrew gets so confused and mis-represented

PA has not not been convicted of any sex crime and is not a paedophile
/nonce

He was however a close friend of convicted paedophile Jeffery Epstein

Epstein was also later accused of sex-trafficking but died in prison pre-trial -
one of the victims was Victoria Guiffre. After Epstein died police interest moved to his 'friend' Ghislaine Maxwell [also a friend of PA] who was charged with sex-trafficking

VG alledgedly had a sexual relations with PA [he claims to have never met her despite photo evidence to the contrary] whilst being trafficked - she was 17 at the time but this is irrelevant in terms of the charges of sex-trafficking against Epstein and Maxwell. Her age is also irrelevant wrt PA - she couldn't consent not due to her age but because she was trafficked

The FBI wanted to speak with PA about VG and he very publically agreed to help them but then his lawyers gave the FBI a massive runaround and provided no assistance at all

Maxwell was convicted anyway and is now in prison

Before Epstein killed himself he changed his will putting his massive wealth beyond the reach of legitimate claimants like VG - this partly/mainly? why VG then opened a civil case against PA for damages

And this is the case that the late Queen/PA settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. This settlement does not constitute an admission of guilt or amount to a conviction

There are several detailed articles in Vanity Fair and the Guardian which describe all this

Morestrangethings · 22/12/2022 10:32

Much appreciated Hymenornot

A Mirror article, Feb 2022, said that the FBI still want to speak to him. Is this still the case, do you know?

(I’m in Australia and don’t know how legitimate the Mirror is as a news site).

HymenOrNot · 22/12/2022 11:10

Morestrangethings · 22/12/2022 10:32

Much appreciated Hymenornot

A Mirror article, Feb 2022, said that the FBI still want to speak to him. Is this still the case, do you know?

(I’m in Australia and don’t know how legitimate the Mirror is as a news site).

I don't know if the FBI still want to interview PA

I suspect not ATM as Maxwell was finally sentenced in Sept 2022 around the time of the Queens death - until the sentencing there were rumours of a plea bargain wrt to obtaining evidence from her about the involvement of other very famous men - so at least for the time being it's gone quiet.

Of course there are many more wronged women who were not able to claim compensation like VG as their abusers haven't been exposed like PA

Also PAs non-appearing testimony/co-operation was apparently used as a bargaining chip in another case of a US citizen Anne Sacoolas who killed a UK citizen in a RTA. That case is now over, too

As for the Mirror - it's not great. The republican-leaning Guardian have done lots of excellent investigations into RF finances/taxes, dodgy business dealings, Queens consent etc

HymenOrNot · 22/12/2022 11:25

Sorry it's not very clear the ''many more wronged women'' i was referring to are dozen or so other witnesses/victims in the Maxwell court case plus possibly 100s of girls/women abused by Epstein/Maxwell

Xenia · 22/12/2022 14:04

"Epstein victim drops claim against attorney Alan Dershowitz
A woman who recently settled a lawsuit against Prince Andrew resulting from claims she was sexually trafficked to the British royal and others by financier Jeffrey Epstein has dropped a similar claim against attorney Alan Dershowitz, saying she may have erred...In a statement, Giuffre said she had “long believed that I was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein to Alan Dershowitz. However, I was very young at the time, it was a very stressful and traumatic environment, and Mr. Dershowitz has from the beginning consistently denied these allegations. “I now recognize I may have made a mistake in identifying Mr. Dershowitz. This litigation has been very stressful and burdensome for me and my family, and we believe it is time to bring it to an end and move on with our lives,” she said.

Dershowitz said he was gratified that the claims were withdrawn and Giuffre has admitted she may have made a mistake.“As I have said from the beginning, I never had sex with Ms. Giuffre. I have nevertheless come to believe that at the time she accused me she believed what she said,” said Dershowitz, a retired Harvard University law professor.

He added: “Ms. Giuffre is to be commended for her courage in now stating publicly that she may have been mistaken about me. She has suffered much at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein, and I commend her work combatting the evil of sex trafficking.” "

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