The Queen died from...in The Times today

[NotInMyBackYards]

In TT today, Dr Porter discusses what is in the latest biography of the Queen (by Giles B.)

Dr P seems to agree with GB that the Queen had bone cancer. He doesn't say so in so many words but he does bullet-point the signs (of which she appears to have had a number.)

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed.
She was well loved and admired by millions.
Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands.

It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

My late father had 3 conditions listed on his DC, including dementia, but he'd had two other conditions (major organ deterioration) for many years as well.
Considering he was 95, then 'old age' may have covered it but it wasn't just that.

What is the point of the Palace not being honest?

As I said up thread, my mum died in 2020 and her death certificate said 'frailty of old age'. Nothing else.

She wasn't ill, but she was frail in her last couple of weeks. She went to bed one night and never woke up. It was during the first lockdown, so she hadn't seen a doctor for several weeks.

In Scotland, it is acceptable - and legal- to have Old Age as cause of death provided other conditions are met.

You’re being weird.

FFS what does it matter? The lady was very old. She probably had several conditions going on any one of which could be terminal.

I have no beef with "old age" as a generic for cause of death. There was definitely no suspicion of "foul play".

The Queen had a wonderful life and a good death. As the Beatles said, Let It Be.

@NotInMyBackYards
It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

and to all the other people piling in with their opinions. This is not an opinion. It is a matter of fact. Doctors are ALLOWED to give frailty of old age as a cause of death over the age of 80 regardless of other conditions. And doctors very commonly do this. There is no conspiracy! There is no legal issue whatsoever

Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

No. It's none of your business.

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands

Oh bore off. My grandmother who was the same age died the month before. She relied on a walker but was otherwise pretty similarly healthy to the queen. I believe heart failure was the official cause of death but it was old age. Her heart failed because she was old!

You feel cheated because you don't have access to someone's personal medical records?

And it's been published.

She was 96. Her death wasn't a surprise.

Something really ghoulish about needing to know more.

We lost an elderly family member last week. If the immediate family choose to share the cause of death that's up to them. But if they choose not to, I wouldn't dream of asking them.

As a royalist, I’m surprised you have so little respect for her that you think your desire to know trumps her wish to keep just a little tiny part of her life away from prying eyes.

If anything demonstrates how shit it must be to be a royal, it's this OP. Even their fans will allow them no privacy, even in death. The entitlement is beyond belief.

@tigger1001
Whether you chose to ask or not doesn't change the fact that it is publicly available and anyone can look it up

It's a legal document

My dad walked himself into hospital on Wednesday with what turned out to be cancer and died on the Friday.

So whether you find it improbable or not, it happens.

Doesn't make it less ghoulish though, especially a complete stranger.

That a legal document is accurate ?

You think that's ghoulish ?

Can't see why there is any need to go full Columbo about the death of a 96 year old - at that age, there's no 'unexpected' death, it could always happen at any time. The Queen seemed to have health problems - again, no surprise for someone of 96, even a person who'd lived a very privileged life. She also seemed to be ready to go and to have a faith which made her calm and accepting about death. Why on earth would we need to pick at it further? No injustice has been done. A very privileged individual has ultimately gone to the same fate that awaits us all. That's it.

Just because she was the Queen, doesn’t mean we are entitled to her medical record. Being famous doesn’t exclude you from privacy!

It is accurate. What’s ghoulish is deciding, based on speculation from “stupid jumper man” (thank you to the pp who coined this!), that we have a right to further detail and start prodding and poking and exhuming for more information, when the information we have answers the question.

I’m a royalist and believe it’s none of my bloody business. She was an old woman, something was going to get her.
we do not own her.

Haven’t read the whole thread but I think Giles Brandreth was permitted by royal family to write about this because the Rf probably want to take away from Harry some of the headlines and gossip that will come from his book…

Mind your own business. You have zero right to someone else’s private medical information.

FWIW I think it's quite tasteless to reveal this. HMQ was 96 and what eventually ended her long life doesn't matter. Feels prurient to me.

Old age isn't some rare thing that only the royals have on their death certificate. 10s of thousands of old people die of "old age" every year. You're not going to do a lot of invasive post mortems on every old person who does. Most old people have a crapload of things wrong with them, a lot of them time it's a combination of them that kills them, and so old age goes on the birth certificate

No. The need to know how/why a complete stranger died is ghoulish. Questioning the cause of death that has been published is ghoulish. Feeling that they have a right to know the full details is ghoulish.

As a previous poster has said, this thread fully explains why I would hate to be a member of the royal family - can't even die without complete strangers questioning the information released.

gpnotebook.com/en-gb/simplepage.cfm?ID=x20120623141725030327

List of guidelines of when you can record a death as old age

Exactly.
Accusing the doctor who certified her death of lying is disgraceful. It’s a criminal offence to lie on a death certificate.

My grandmother had bone cancer when she died but she didn't die of it. By that age, the human body has all sorts of ailments.
Old people die, which is infinitely preferable to young people dying. Let them do so in peace.