Is anyone else thinking the optics are off: royals in a golden coach whilst the UK is in a cost of living crisis?

[MsPinkMarshmallow]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11456933/Prince-Princess-Wales-greet-South-African-president.html

People are struggling to heat their homes, feed their kids and pay their mortgages but the royals are in the Mall in a golden carriage and giving state banquets.

Can't we just get rid of the lot of them?

@smilesy
For the last time, my words were ' my heart bleeds ' referring to Mountbatten .

What he deserves is between him and his God .
You can try to deflect all you like .

No. EU sources, so pretty close though 😂😂

I read your words. To most it would imply that you are implying he was responsible for his own murder and that the collateral damage is unimportant You can dissemble and split hairs all you like, it’s still not up to you to say anyone deserves to die. You don’t seem to be leaving it up to his god to judge him.

I freely admit I judge him.

I take it you judge no one - except a stranger on a forum obviously

I am not judging you, Novella. It is not my place. I am merely pointing out how unpleasant it is to wish someone dead, whoever they are. And it is ironic that someone who has referred to others on this thread as “plebs”, used and has posted quite aggressively towards those who disagree with them should complain they are being judged🙄

Whether or not Mountbatten “deserved” to die, as Novella thinks, is also irrelevant here, as he wasn’t killed because he was an abuser. His boat was bombed, and several people killed, because he was a close relative of the UK Head of State, and his death was intended to be a political act. Therefore demonstrating that given the UK’s history of violent acts towards people in public roles, any head of state, and their family, would need protection at the same level the incumbents do, including when they leave office. So claiming that the public purse would save on security costs if we no longer had a royal family is illusory.

Well, quite :)

These factoids are fascinating, aren't they? it's always £350 million, 48:52, The White House is the most photographed building in the world, Princess Diana was the most famous woman in the world, France is the most visited... Not a single soul in the world can possibly know if any of these are true, which is why it's always £350 million, 48:52, etc..

@Serenster

Whether or not Mountbatten “deserved” to die, as Novella thinks

That is not what I said and you need to withdraw that .
I said ' my heart bleeds ' .

And I'd ask why you held Mountbatten up as someone in need of protection.
His ignorance and arrogance destroyed caused untold death and misery in current india and Pakistan . Never mind all the allegations about his abuse of boys .

Royalists find themselves having to defend Andrew .
Prepare for their attempts to defend Mountbatten .

@smilesy
Re me using the term 'plebs '
Have you heard of irony??

For gods sake show a whit of intelligence

@Kennykenkencat
". In fact you seemed to infer if someone was warned about something and told they shouldn’t do something then the worse happens then it was the persons fault for not heeding the warning."

I assumed knowledge in your part that you clearly don't have .
I was implying that something was drawing Mountbatten to Ireland and it wasn't the fishing .
Google kincora and the court case in Belfast

@Samcro

you seem obsessed with Rousette and derailing this thread

Derailing? The thread concerns tone-deaf displays of wealth on the part of the royal family, so Harry and Meghan's ostentation is bang on topic.

And a cursory glance at our respective post counts would confirm who the real obsessives are (hint: it's certainly not me) 😚

I’m sorry I missed your use of irony. It’s quite hard to spot amongst your general insults, calling in to question others knowledge, intelligence, lack of critical thinking and the like. You always seem to talk down to those who express an opinion that differs from yours. As you clearly always believe you are right it is probably best we leave it there.

Why do we still have a monarchy, given that it's anachronistic and inappropriate in the 21st century?

Because it works.

About 1/3 of nations are monarchies

Royalists find themselves having to defend Andrew

No they don't.

You can both support the monarchy and still think some family members are sleazy shites

Why do we still have a monarchy, given that it's anachronistic and inappropriate in the 21st century?

Because it works

Yep. It really is a s simple as that. No other reason needed.

You can both support the monarchy and still think some family members are sleazy shites

Problem is if we got a sleazy shite overlord who was let's say mates with one of the most prolific child sex offenders ever unmasked or maybe accepting millions in cash presented in plastic bags there's nothing we can do about it.

And that's before we start on the nearest and dearest.

You can both support the monarchy and still think some family members are sleazy shites

I can't. I really can't. Andrew has been enabled and protected for decades so just NO.
If it was just some self sufficient rich family in a castle I would think urghhh how ghastly but nothing to do with me.
But it isn't. We finance and support and lavish them with millions so no.

My views on the RF has changed enormously over a great number of years. I used to be quite the royalist. No more

My point was that people visit to see buildings not the people who love in them.

Yes I get that. Hence my point about the architecture in Paris. Great typo btw 😆

Actually quite a few tourists I have heard talking, seeing the people who live in these buildings is a big reason they come to the U.K.

Oh and your facile 'it works ' answer says it all about monarchists and their weak defence of monarchy .

It's meaningless . The mafia 'works ' ( good analogy for royals )
The Naxis 'worked'

The 'it works' argument is superficial claptrap . Like monarchy itself

Novella Criticality is my profession and I have spent years thinking about this subject from all manner of angles. The first thing that is important to know is that life is crap for an awful lot of people and will be very crap for all of us at one point or another. Any system that enables us to survive this brutality of life, and that also delivers relative stability, some sustenance, some entertainment and a chance to raise the future generation in a similar environment for the majority of the population is a system that 'works'. It doesn't matter what that system is. It can be a whole lot worse than this but is rarely very much better, in any country. We are - relatively - lucky.

It's nothing like the mafia or the Nazis (the latter of which came to power in a republic)

Just look at how much of Europe has monarchies, and how successful those countries (particularly the Scandinavian ones) are

So many times this has to be repeated.
Look yourself at the ( declared- God knows what else is hidden re finances) cost of the Uk 'royals' look at the numbers , look at their tentacles of power and compare.

Three quarters of European countries kicked their 'royals ' out .

And as for the rest of the 'royals' are you dredging up SaudiArabia , UAE - Jesus