Unpopular Opinion - William and Kate

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Don't come at me, I'm sharing my unpopular opinion because I want to know what you all think but just don't see a spark between William & Kate.

Loved them since the day they starting dating way back when they were undergrads at St Andrews but I just don't see their connection in pictures and it seems a little forced when she has her hand on his back or when they do hold hands.

I don't expect them to hold hands and snog because I know they're mostly photographed whilst they're working but he looks bored and she looks like she's trying her best.

Does anyone agree with me?

And a very fair point too - so much so that we might almost say it's downright unkind to expect those with no professional training or qualifications, and who may not be temperamentally suited to the job anyway to be pitched into it like this

... an argument which suits republicans just fine

It's all ludicrous speculation!

Genuine question, @LadyVictoriaSponge: how is it speculation to suggest that H&M didn't actually want to leave completely when they issued a "manifesto" outlining exactly that?

I would say to Harry, “But Margaret…” She undoubtedly led a life of luxury after the Queen ascended the throne, but she didn’t get half . Same with Anne, Andrew and Edward, and all the other “extras” going back 1000 years or so.

I can only surmise that he does truly think he is special. What on earth led him to believe that he could share the Duchy of Cornwall and that he and Meghan could have Windsor Castle? I suppose he has kind of raised an army (online) and mounted a couple of rebellions (Oprah and Spare).

It’s no particularly unusual, in my farming family it’s the same, the oldest brother inherits the farm and it’s often the same with family businesses, one family member is the boss and controls the wages of other family members who are employed. What most family businesses don’t support is for one member to go rouge, particularly when they then publicly write and say dreadful things about the company and its family members and yet still expect to keep their wages and perks.

I don’t think you meant to quote me @CoffeeCantata it was a previous poster who claimed it was ludicrous speculation.

Genuine question, **: how is it speculation to suggest that H&M didn't actually want to leave completely when they issued a "manifesto" outlining exactly that?

It’s not me who said it was, I think you need to tag @Ashadeofgreen55 who made this claim.

Genuine apologies then, @LadyVictoriaSponge ... that really was my fault

No worries @Puzzledandpissedoff it’s easily done!

LadyVictoria - many apologies!

I'm easily confused.....

No problem! @CoffeeCantata

I suppose historically a fair few second in lines have had to step up, most recently George V and George VI, the latter with no preparation and at a very difficult time (I think he'd have done anything to remain the "spare", poor man)

I don't think Harry or in a previous generation Margaret realised how lucky they were and it seems to breed resentment. Life of luxury, much less pressure, do decent work while still enjoying quite a lot of freedom and end up beloved. Anne has shown that it is possible, so maybe it's a matter of character. I'm very hopeful that William and Kate will make sure their children have a good grasp of the nature of things and encourage them to find ways of making the best of their respective situations.

I think at times Harry is lucky he didn’t live 100’s of years ago as he could have ended up as George Duke of Clarence murdered in vat of wine or whatever it was.

At the very least he’d have been confined to the Tower.

Perhaps I should have said "people who do not fit in" or " personalities who are not suited to the job". I thought the idiom "his face didn't fit" would be clear, but is obvioisly not as widely understood as I supposed.

I stand corrected, thank you.

Malmsey I think it was. Another idea for ARO as they may be branching out in that direction? Perhaps not.

The reason why you cant be half in and half out, is the the RF have some specific rules.
For example, they are not allowed to accept freebie designer clothes, and have to pay the full price. This appears to be something that Harry and Meghan failed to understand.
As a member of the RF, they represent the monarch, and by extension the UK Gov.
Can you inagine, only accepting the free stuff for 6 months of the year, but then 'being royal' the rest of the year. Can't work.
so, you cannot really monetise the RF for half the year, then be royal the rest of the time.
This is why you can't be half in and half out.
There are other examples, but I admit, it is not an easy path.

Malmsey ahh yes thanks @Uricon2

The reason why you cant be half in and half out, is the the RF have some specific rules.

The Nolan principles - they apply to working Royals along with other public servants.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2

Meghan did keep a lot apparently . Why was she allowed to?

Wouldn’t that be something to do with Diana wanting them raised as equals or some such I’m sure I read before.

I must have missed that. I didn't see anyone say it was reasonable or unreasonable; it just is!

Harry only wanted half out anyway.

Well he would need to have something to offer over 4 years later, other than trashing his family!

He has plenty to say on other occasions!!!

I've read that and I can appreciate it as a normal, in fact good, parenting instinct. It doesn't really work though when "there can be only one" in the boss role and short of tragedy (or abdication) it will never be the second.Perhaps an extra amount of care needs to be given to that secondborn so they grow up seeing it as a positive rather than not. I think having more than 2 must spread the load of expectation a bit, TBH.

Because of her partying ways Margaret was often portrayed as the "naughty sister" against the late QE's calm and dignity. Maybe that happened with Harry too, rather, but before it all went pearshaped and they left, he was undoubtedly extremely popular, wasn't he second (again, but in a good way) only to the Queen in all polls?

It's really not!

We weren't there either, in Andrew's case, lol!

It was very misguided to have Harry raised as William’s equal overall.

He should have been raise as equal children to mummy and daddy but always with the cavet that ultimately one will be king. His strops over sausages and such nonsense show an insane amount of jealousy, being granny favourite was likely what he sold himself to cover hurt feelings, because as we saw with George he was doing things the other two never did to prepare and show he was actually different not better than them but different in the life of a royal family.

Yeah the fun one that lads lads. Clearly all an act to cover up a hugely insecure jealous man child. Married the first women who would accept him basically. Sold Megan a dead fish 😬