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prince of wales investiture

76 replies

Samcro · 28/09/2022 07:57

(hope I spelt that right) is it a good thing that he is not having one?

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Novella4 · 02/10/2022 10:59

Their helicopter ( how environmentally friendly ) dropped Camilla at her house in the evening of the funeral .
And Charles went on to his

Rapidtango · 02/10/2022 11:04

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 10:57

It's true I know no more than any posters here . But my god - the coldness and distance between W and K is palpable .

Aye, right. Hmm

itrytomakemyway · 02/10/2022 11:12

I get that you don’t like the YouGov outcome as it doesn’t support your point of view, but it’s reliable, statistically significant sample from a well known and trusted research organisation.

This makes me laugh. YouGov pay people to do surveys - badly. It took me 18 months to 'earn' 18 months. I soon learnt how to skip through them very quickly without reading the questions. I would imagine most regular YouGov survey takers do the same. It would pay pennies per hour if you read through them all carefully. There are much better research organisations. I take any data quoted from YouGov with a pinch of salt. And that sample size is absolutely tiny - no where near large enough to draw any reasonable conclusions.

Yes, people will turn out to see the royals - they very rarely visit the area I live in so it is something of a novelty. This does not mean that people would be happy to see millions spent on pointless pomp and ceremony - especially so soon after the funeral and with the coronation coming up. There is little enthusiasm for a ceremony in Caernarfon from people living there. In any case, if it was held there again places in North West Wales are so cash starved that they would struggle with the infrastructure - not enough hotel spaces for a start. I would prefer that any millions set aside for ceremonies be actually spent on services people so desperately need.

Nothing against William and Kate. I quite like the royal family, but pretending he is suddenly all about Wales and Welsh is a nonsense. He and Kate lived on Anglesey for a while and he had plenty of opportunity to make more of an effort then. Yet last week we have the press fawning over the fact that he has learnt a handful of Welsh words. Non Welsh speaking children in their first year in nursery school have more Welsh in their vocabulary than that.

If he and Kate took the title of Prince and Princess of Wales seriously they have had years to demonstrate that. I see little evidence that it is anything more than a title for them.

itrytomakemyway · 02/10/2022 11:13

Doh - should say it took me 18 months to earn £50.

balalake · 02/10/2022 11:15

If there is no investiture, that to me is a good thing.

MaggieMGill · 02/10/2022 11:21

I'm taking a wild guess, but I'm guessing the majority of posters passing judgement are not actually Welsh, as most of the reasons against seem to be financial and not out of respect for the country whose title was taken.

There were huge protests for the investiture of Charles 60 odd years ago and I would be astonished if the English establishment thought they could repeat such a performance.

On the recent tour of the current UK, CNN reported that Wales was by far the most hostile to the Kings arrival, so I would be fascinated to see the cross section of society that was polled for YouGov.

I'll also take a wild guess that few of you are aware of the protest in Cardiff yesterday - even with the train strike, 10,000 people marched through the centre of Cardiff calling for independence, as the BBC kept the news on the local bulletins.

WeAreTheHeroes · 02/10/2022 11:22

Can anyone summarise what Michael Sheen had to say? I mean I can guess given his usual stance, but I gave up watching that video on Twitter as it took him so long to get two sentences out. My menopausal patience couldn't wait 7+ minutes.

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 11:28

It is an interesting video and I find Micheal Sheen always worth a listen
Scroll forward a bit - he does have a bit of a preamble .

He said the 16th of Sept was a strange date to choose . Either they were unaware of its significance to the Welsh or they were aware and if so it was insulting

Maireas · 02/10/2022 11:34

Well, if the people of Wales want independence, they should go for it.
If there's a mass movement for it they should push for it now if that's the desired outcome.

Maireas · 02/10/2022 11:37

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/01/thousands-march-in-cardiff-calling-for-welsh-independence
Here's the Guardian report on the march.
Although the results of the YouGov poll/ Cardiff University indicate most people would vote against independence.

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 11:41

@Maireas
See below re yougov polls !

This is why I ignore pollls .
Give people a vote

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 11:42

@Maireas re @MaggieMGill post below before you swallow yougov polls as gospel

Maireas · 02/10/2022 11:43

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 11:41

@Maireas
See below re yougov polls !

This is why I ignore pollls .
Give people a vote

Fine. Ignore the polls. Select your evidence. Work towards an in/out referendum - good luck.

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 11:45

Thank you!
It's going well

Maireas · 02/10/2022 11:49

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 11:45

Thank you!
It's going well

Excellent. 👍

MaggieMGill · 02/10/2022 11:53

Novella4

He said the 16th of Sept was a strange date to choose . Either they were unaware of its significance to the Welsh or they were aware and if so it was insulting

Choosing to come to Wales on 16th September, shows one of two things, either he knows so little about the country he was imposed upon as prince for decades, that he or his advisors didn't know the significance of the date in Wales.

The other alternative is that they did know and didn't care, either way it annoyed a lot of people hence CNN reporting that the crowd in Cardiff was the most hostile.

Quveas · 02/10/2022 12:12

StormzyinaTCup · 28/09/2022 09:28

I do recall reading an article that suggested that the POW investiture may be done at the same time as the King's coronation (for cost purposes I believe). Not sure if there is any truth in that or not. Certainly can't see anything happening on either in the next 6 months or so.

Bearing in mind that it would be a rather monumentally huge departure from custom to hold the coronation in Wales, I couldn't think of a better way to piss off the part of the Welsh population that isn't already pissed off than by having an investiture combined with a coronation in London!

SenecaFallsRedux · 02/10/2022 17:00

It doesn't have to be a full-fledged investiture, more a recognition type thing, especially if William wears his father's coronet, the one with the ping pong ball on top.

KnickerlessParsons · 02/10/2022 17:01

StormzyinaTCup · 28/09/2022 09:28

I do recall reading an article that suggested that the POW investiture may be done at the same time as the King's coronation (for cost purposes I believe). Not sure if there is any truth in that or not. Certainly can't see anything happening on either in the next 6 months or so.

I doubt it, as the investiture would have to be in Wales, not Westminster.

Maireas · 02/10/2022 17:04

SenecaFallsRedux · 02/10/2022 17:00

It doesn't have to be a full-fledged investiture, more a recognition type thing, especially if William wears his father's coronet, the one with the ping pong ball on top.

That ping pong coronet has got to be the ugliest ever created!

Maireas · 02/10/2022 17:05

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 10:57

It's true I know no more than any posters here . But my god - the coldness and distance between W and K is palpable .

I've not seen coldness between them. They're not into pdas, but that means nothing.

Novella4 · 02/10/2022 17:59

No one wants PDAs

This is different and recent . Fine you don't see it . I do .

William is ICE COLD

If you are reading Kate love , LTB

Maireas · 02/10/2022 18:02

Novella wants to rescue you, Kate!

Rapidtango · 02/10/2022 18:31

There's plenty of lovely natural recent photos of them looking completely relaxed and comfortable in each others company. People don't need to paw at each other to be happy together.

Rapidtango · 02/10/2022 18:31

There's plenty of lovely natural recent photos of them looking completely relaxed and comfortable in each others company. People don't need to paw at each other to be happy together.