'Courtiers' by Valentine Low

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Extracts of this were being discussed on a previous thread ('The Times) which just finished.

I'm interested in buying this book, despite never having ever bought any other book about the Royal Family and never having watched The Crown.

I'm interested however in the archaic rituals of the Royal Court and how it works as an employer, and also how the courtiers advise.

Yes the excerpts were focused on Harry and Meghan but presumably that's just for clicks given the relevant timing, and that the book goes well beyond that.

Poignant that in the synopsis for it on The Foyles website it says:

The Queen, after a remarkable 70 years of service, is entering the final seasons of her reign without her husband Philip to guide her. Meanwhile, Charles seeks to define what his future as King will be, with his court wielding ever greater influence as he plans for his imminent accession.

www.foyles.co.uk/witem/biography/courtiers,valentine-low-9781472290908

Anyone else thinking of buying this?

Well in the real world 38 & 41 are not young. Younger than me but not young.

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A red pigeon?!!!

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I understand that some people are sensitive about their age so let’s leave it as that. I’ll simply say that I think Harry and Meghan are a lovely couple who are raising a young family. The young prince and princess are a credit to their parents. They’re also so adorable.

Yep

Do you know them? Because the public know nothing about them. It sounds as though you know them personally somehow.

My DC are all 35 plus and none of them think of themselves as young! ( Although I do !)

Only the balding middled aged Harry is a Prince. None of the rest of them are.

KC is unlikely to give the children Prince or Princess titles. He didn't want Bea and Eugenie to have Princess titles 30 odd years ago either.

Most of the men in the RF are balding. Until we know otherwise I think we can refer to the two children as Prince and Princess. Either way they are still members of the royal family.

So do you know the children personally? How do you know so much about them?

Archie & Lili are indeed members of the royal family.

Young members, in fact.

Yes, very young!

I think that’s something we can all agree on @smileandjoy

How come the pro Meghan fans are actually the rudest?

I think they find it very difficult to make a case.

From the second Times except this group Sam Cohen, Sara Latham and Marnie Gaffney were known as the Sussex Survivors Club. They were/are all mature highly skilled and highly regarded seasoned professionals - Cohen had worked directly for HMQ for 17 years, Latham for Hilary Clinton etc

“Sources say the team came up with a damning epithet for Meghan: a “narcissistic sociopath”. They also reportedly said on repeated occasions: “We were played.”

And I have to thank you @smileandjoy for keeping/getting the thread (back) on track. Until you mentioned that they wouldn’t care about messages or look at them, I’d forgotten about this extract from the excerpt, which I think is telling:

Even before Meghan came on the scene, Harry’s grievances with the media, especially the tabloid press, could lead to tensions with his staff. One insider recalls: “He was always messaging, making phone calls. It was nonstop. There were constant battles with the media and expecting the team to be on your side.… He was always on Twitter. You then had to be on everything too. Every minor infraction was a big deal.”

Telling because it shows Meghan didn’t ‘make’ Harry be like that, he already was.

I have often thought that .

Compassion in action.

Is this what happens when you post a positive comment about M&H - you’re accused of personal attacks and being rude? I think it’s actually the other way round. Unfortunately it’s not going to stop me from giving my opinion. If you feel I’ve been rude please report my posts and see what action is taken. I’ve only spoken warmly of H&M. As this is an open discussion I have that right.

To stay on topic, what do you think of the excerpts from 'Courtiers' about this 'great couple'?

@IcedPurple
Similar to M&H’s brand of compassion then 😂

Hollywood is very ageist, only the good actresses can get jobs over 40, so Meghan would have struggled to land any roles

I think that’s it. Whatever the reason, it’s factually demonstrable. On the previous thread discussing the book excepts, “The Times”, there were at least five posts deleted by MNHQ, all of which were by the most visible ‘pro’ posters.