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Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

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EdieLedwell · 17/09/2022 18:47

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

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notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 15:02

MaulPerton · 21/09/2022 14:47

The UK rags lost their cash cow clickbait

There will be plenty of other clickbait along in no time. H & M are dispensable.

So is everyone.

Stop saying they are just yet, when they are clearly not.

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 15:04

DFOD · 21/09/2022 14:21

So which publications are reporting on their amazing charitable endeavours - because now even the reputable US progressive liberal press are calling out their behaviour - see recent reports in The Washington Post, The New Yorker, The New York Times, CNN.

Even last week Oprah Winfrey did a distancing interview with Gayle King.

Aren't most of those publications neutral. Just reporting as and when? That is how it's supposed to be, not wall to wall ripping apart.

Don't know what you mean about OW and GK, but just today GK reported that they are safely back in the US now.

DFOD · 21/09/2022 15:09

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 15:04

Aren't most of those publications neutral. Just reporting as and when? That is how it's supposed to be, not wall to wall ripping apart.

Don't know what you mean about OW and GK, but just today GK reported that they are safely back in the US now.

Yes these US publications are reputable - and my point being that even these neutral media sources are calling out their behaviour are unpalatable where you would expect them to be on-side.

OW did a one to one interview with Gayle King last week, after The Queens death where she is distancing herself from the content of her interview with H&M.

DFOD · 21/09/2022 15:14

Wall to wall ripping apart is abhorrent and the British tabloid press is racist - more covert than overt to keep them out of litigation - and no one deserves this.

At the same time H&M behaviour has been questionable and that’s what sane media are doing now.

queenofarles · 21/09/2022 15:19

Speaking following the Queen's funeral, outside Westminster Abbey, she said: 'There have been efforts on both sides … to sort of make this right'.

Admitting that there had been no rapprochement despite these 'efforts', she added: 'Big families always go through drama, always go through turmoil. It remains to be seen — are they going to be drawn closer together or are they going to be drawn apart? I have no idea, I have no inside information on that, but I will tell you this: It was good to see Harry standing with his family'.
this is what Gayle said, the tone is very different.

Novella4 · 21/09/2022 15:28

@MaulPerton oh I hope he doesnt return too and that he lands plenty of blows with his book .

The royals deserve it and more

DFOD · 21/09/2022 15:28

queenofarles · 21/09/2022 15:19

Speaking following the Queen's funeral, outside Westminster Abbey, she said: 'There have been efforts on both sides … to sort of make this right'.

Admitting that there had been no rapprochement despite these 'efforts', she added: 'Big families always go through drama, always go through turmoil. It remains to be seen — are they going to be drawn closer together or are they going to be drawn apart? I have no idea, I have no inside information on that, but I will tell you this: It was good to see Harry standing with his family'.
this is what Gayle said, the tone is very different.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=13aQKxOg9uU

This is the interview Oprah did last week with Gayle King - where she is distancing herself from the content.

Plumbear2 · 21/09/2022 15:31

Novella4 · 21/09/2022 13:53

Lol. I assume that's sarcastic

I oppose monarchy but even I can see not one of them have an ounce of the charisma of Harry

Its not meant to be sarcastic, no. Edward and Sophie work hard for the family and show respect, unlike Harry and Meghan.

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 15:40

DFOD · 21/09/2022 15:28

m.youtube.com/watch?v=13aQKxOg9uU

This is the interview Oprah did last week with Gayle King - where she is distancing herself from the content.

I'm not seeing any distancing. Nor any different tone from Gayle.

Is this one of those 'Serena has distanced herself' scenarios ? Only to have her show up with love on her podcast? 😂

queenofarles · 21/09/2022 15:43

but I will tell you this: It was good to see Harry standing with his family' this what struck me most, and this is what we’ve been saying all week , that it’s so nice to see him with his family.
a complete contrast to some on here who believe that Harry’s family are shitty and that he has a better father figure waiting for him in the US.

Snog · 21/09/2022 15:53

Sophie and Edward are definitely on the up in terms of popularity as is the lovely Lady Louise.

Sophie in my opinion definitely dresses better than Meghan.

Plumbear2 · 21/09/2022 15:56

Snog · 21/09/2022 15:53

Sophie and Edward are definitely on the up in terms of popularity as is the lovely Lady Louise.

Sophie in my opinion definitely dresses better than Meghan.

I agree. If Lady Louise became a working royal at some point I would be happy. She seems perfectly suited for the role

DFOD · 21/09/2022 16:01

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 15:40

I'm not seeing any distancing. Nor any different tone from Gayle.

Is this one of those 'Serena has distanced herself' scenarios ? Only to have her show up with love on her podcast? 😂

The interview is Oprah distancing herself from the content - Gayle is the interviewee.

Oprah is trying to save her own reputation here by saying the content surprised me and I did not set out to do a bombshell interview.

All of which is crap - she knew the value, she knew the content and she monetised this situation. She had every opportunity to edit anything unpalatable and she chose not to - at the time or since - until she sensed that she might well be on the wrong side of public opinion and complicit in bringing distress to HMQ - but only after her death.

MaulPerton · 21/09/2022 16:01

Novella4 · 21/09/2022 15:28

@MaulPerton oh I hope he doesnt return too and that he lands plenty of blows with his book .

The royals deserve it and more

@Novella4 Novella, you are supporting them in their self-destruction. Everyone can see that there is no winning for them if they pursue this course. They are not the ambassadors of a better future. They don't represent hope. If people want to see a black woman in power, there are far better people to support than M. They won't destroy the monarchy. Not even close. They need to find other things to do but not this.

DFOD · 21/09/2022 16:04

DFOD · 21/09/2022 16:01

The interview is Oprah distancing herself from the content - Gayle is the interviewee.

Oprah is trying to save her own reputation here by saying the content surprised me and I did not set out to do a bombshell interview.

All of which is crap - she knew the value, she knew the content and she monetised this situation. She had every opportunity to edit anything unpalatable and she chose not to - at the time or since - until she sensed that she might well be on the wrong side of public opinion and complicit in bringing distress to HMQ - but only after her death.

Whoops typo - Gayle is the interviewer …. who goes on at great length to explain that they were doing an interview anyway and OW didn’t ask for this opportunity after HMQs death 🙄

BasiliskStare · 21/09/2022 16:07

What I think is - that Harry and Meghan have used Harry's relationship with the Royal Family to try to earn hundreds of millions. I hope they will quieten down for a while.

I do think that from within the Royal Family - they could have done a really good job. & I do - had they stuck with charities and not started complaining - eg - no-one asks me how I am after you have seen a village and spoken to girls so very much off than you are. This isn't a Hollywood type thing

I know they think the RF did badly by them but Oh Goodness have they not paid that back in spades.

Had they wanted to do well , I am sure Frogmore Cottage would have done them well & the charity work & commonwealth things the Queens offered them Did they really need such a big mansion such that they needed to do some things to pay for it. Am sure Harry is used to living in huge houses - pretty sure Meghan is not.

I do feel for Harry as I think the Invictus Games was a good thing.

But they have made their choice. Time will tell

BasiliskStare · 21/09/2022 16:11

& Also Oprah is backtracking - a decent researcher or even she would have known questions she should have asked or probed

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 16:28

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 15:04

Aren't most of those publications neutral. Just reporting as and when? That is how it's supposed to be, not wall to wall ripping apart.

Don't know what you mean about OW and GK, but just today GK reported that they are safely back in the US now.

Is GK their spokesperson for the US and Omid Scobie the spokesman for them in UK? Why does GK need to announce they are back in the US? It’s just so odd and such a strange way to operate.

Gilmorehill · 21/09/2022 16:36

SilverLiningPlaybook · 19/09/2022 22:52

In my opinion what happened is that Harry loved his family and was happy with his place in it before he met Meghan. I’m sure he felt pissed off with them at times, and felt his father had been emotionally absent. He obviously has baggage about his mothers death, but generally he got on well with them and enjoyed family relationships .
He never liked being open to public scrutiny and didn’t enjoy that’s aspect of it because ir limited his freedom. He wasn’t able to be a normal Army officer either. In addition he hated the Press.

When he met M he was getting really desperate to settle down and have kids like his brother, and his two previous relationships hadn’t worked out, partly because they couldn’t handle the scrutiny and expectations. When he met M he was bowled over. She seems worldly wise, confident and wanted all the same things he did. Or so it seemed. So he thought finally he had found the one. He wasn’t going to let anything stand in his way so he charged on. She on the other hand was at a turning point in her life. Her relationships hadn’t worked out either, her series was coming to an end. She wanted to hit the big time, either career wise or money and status wise . She was bowled over by his status and the novelty of him being British and rich. They rushed into marriage without much real thought or consideration. She thought she could do what she wanted to in her role as Harrys wife. All doors would be opened to her and she could be a big player on a worldwide stage. Fame and adulation, in another acting role so to speak. She hadn’t considered the restrictions, the scrutiny, the hide bound nature of the institution. The hierarchy. Or the history of a country she seems to know little about.

She became angry and felt trapped quite quickly as the reality of her situation began to dawn on her. I imagine as she became more disillusioned, she became desperate to get out and go back home. Most probably she wasn’t well liked or tolerated in the RF , because she is very vocal and dominating . We could see this quite early on She’s from a very different culture and seems to have no interest in learning about the country she was now living in. Perhaps she interpreted wariness and distance as racism. Perhaps she lacked the insight into her own behaviour to see that she might be the cause of some of her own problems . Treating staff with disdain , throwing her weight around, being demanding and expecting everything to be on her terms.

Harry, desperate to keep his wife happy, would do anything to appease her and took her side in every situation. Instead of trying to explain protocol or calm the waters, I suspect he began to get angry and throw his weight around too. The whole drama built and built as they both became more and more unhappy, seeing themselves as outsiders fighting the system. Feeling aggrieved when anyone tried to help or advise, urge caution or tell them they couldn’t have their way .

I think W and K kept their distance as they didn’t feel at ease with M and that was perceived as snobbery. Causing more anger and outrage. I do think Charles and the Queen tried very hard with them in every way, but this wasn’t enough to soothe the situation for long. Add in an increasingly hostile Press and all the subterfuge about Archie’s birth and the godparent business, and the toxic mess got worse.

Harrys friends apparently didn’t like Meghan and so they became a twosome set against the Establishment and all Harry had previously known and loved. Meghan talking about suicide would have triggered Harry in a big way, bringing back memories of his own mothers distress. So he felt backed into a corner and had to make a choice. His future with Meghan or his family. So he chose to burn all his bridges in a big hurry, thumb his nose at the RF and turn traitor.
Neither of them really had a clue how they would make a living or how any of the practicalities would work. They just bolted. I suspect Harry trusted M to know more about the Real World than he did.

The situation with Ms father didn’t help at all, as she was most likely emotional about that and felt humiliated by the Press reporting on the story. She probably expected the RF to be full of sympathy and support for her. Instead they probably felt embarrassed and bewildered by it all. So she took offence at that too.

I think in her mind she believed racism was at the heart of all her troubles in the U.K., so she seized on a remark Harry made about a relatives comments on skin colour. She imagined it was meant as a slur, not a light hearted comment made in jest as might have been the case. Harry didn’t seem to see it in the same way she did, even when he was speaking about it on OW. She twists the truth to suit her own ends or the way she genuinely sees things. She has her own lens, and she perceives things through the filter of her own prejudices and insecurities. Unfortunately she has convinced Harry that her own perspectives are the only ones worth bothering with.

They are two damaged , insecure people with a persecution complex. It’s a sad thing to see. I hope maybe the funeral has helped them gain a new perspective on things, but I doubt it.

Excellent post.

diddl · 21/09/2022 16:39

I agree. If Lady Louise became a working royal at some point I would be happy. She seems perfectly suited for the role

Probably best for her to forge her own path & keep out of it-or maybe fill in if absolutely necessary!

I think that B&E would be ok at it but I think they were suggested (by Andrew?) some years ago & it was a no!

antelopevalley · 21/09/2022 16:51

Lady Louise is best building her own life. A working Royal is not a role for a young ambitious woman.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 17:03

antelopevalley · 21/09/2022 16:51

Lady Louise is best building her own life. A working Royal is not a role for a young ambitious woman.

Agree

FirstTM · 21/09/2022 17:17

There appears to be a lot of lonely and envious people on this thread. No matter how many stories you make up and discuss amongst yourselves (taking up the best part of each waking day), Meghan and Harry will continue to be together and live the life that they choose to live. They make decisions to improve the quality of their lives. Perhaps you do too; but it is quite telling that this involves trawling forums to create narratives about individuals who you do not know. That seems like a very preserve form of gratification – and is very sad!

FirstTM · 21/09/2022 17:19

I meant to say 'perverse'.

Snog · 21/09/2022 17:23

FirstTM it seems you too are vv sad as you feel the need to join in

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