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The royal family

James Viscount Severn

285 replies

RoachTheHorse · 17/09/2022 18:07

He looks so so young standing vigil. That must be hard.

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 17/09/2022 20:22

AloysiusBear · 17/09/2022 20:19

14 is old enough to decide for himself. I remember my cousin choosing to come to our grandfathers funeral at that age, we were surprised but it was his choice. He needed to be there, he was very upset but it was a part of the grieving process he was as entitled to as the rest of us.

Agree. However, people were insisting that 12 yo Harry was a tiny child the other day on a thread. I find it very odd when children are held criminally responsible at 10 yo.

wigywhoo · 17/09/2022 20:22

He's also almost 15 for goodness sake!

oakleaffy · 17/09/2022 20:24

JudgeJ · 17/09/2022 20:20

Only on MN where a 14 year old in the 21st century it expected to be comparable with a 6 year old of the 20th century!

It was just chance that the people walking through were present.
Of course they’d look!
When I have seen Royals , I have definitely had a look.
” A cat may look at a King” as the old saying goes.
By the looks of it, Those standing Vigil had eyes closed in thought or Prayer.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 17/09/2022 20:24

He's 14, not 4. It was not even half an hour. He's fine. Harry and William were around the same age at their OWN MOTHER'S funeral after she was tragically killed in her THIRTIES! And they were in the public eye at her funeral for longer than 20-25 minutes!

James will be fine! And of course he wasn't forced into it! The Queen was his grandmother. Of course he wanted to be there and pay his respects as he did.

As for the medals, he had every right to wear them too.

@Nanny0gg

I can't imagine my grandson being able to stand still for that long.

Again, James is 14, not 4. Is your grandson a toddler/pre school age? If not, he should be able to stand still for 20-25 minutes FGS!

ajandjjmum · 17/09/2022 20:27

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 17/09/2022 20:22

Agree. However, people were insisting that 12 yo Harry was a tiny child the other day on a thread. I find it very odd when children are held criminally responsible at 10 yo.

At the time of Diana's death, I remember reading in the press that Harry was adamant that he wanted to follow Diana's coffin, but William didn't. It was felt (don't know by whom) that it was both or neither, at which point Philip offered to walk with William, if he would walk.

Not sure how true this is, but Harry although young, always seemed fiery and determined, whereas William was much quieter, so it's always stuck with me a potentially true.

JudgeJ · 17/09/2022 20:27

MrsMontyD · 17/09/2022 19:42

Such a shame Peter Phillips doesn't have a uniform !

Was iy my imagination or did he have a very strange hairline??

SilverLiningPlaybook · 17/09/2022 20:29

Warmhandscoldheart · 17/09/2022 18:12

I agree, Sophie looks so upset watching them 😪

I don’t think Sophie is happy about it at all.I felt it was quite uncomfortable having the public staring at them all. Harry seemed to want to hide .

Pandabuggle · 17/09/2022 20:29

Rapidtango · 17/09/2022 18:21

DisforDarkChocolate, William and Harry were not pushed to do anything by their grandfather. In fact their grandparents wanted to keep them at Balmoral until the funeral. It was Tony Blair who said they should be in London paraded in front of a hysterical public, the boys were asked if they wanted to walk behind their mother's coffin, they said they did and Prince Phillip said he would walk with them to support them in something they wanted to do.

Glad someone else knew this and pointed it out. Same with the queen staying at Balmoral after the boys lost Diana, she wanted to stay and comfort them, but the public didn't understand this

JudgeJ · 17/09/2022 20:30

ajandjjmum · 17/09/2022 20:27

At the time of Diana's death, I remember reading in the press that Harry was adamant that he wanted to follow Diana's coffin, but William didn't. It was felt (don't know by whom) that it was both or neither, at which point Philip offered to walk with William, if he would walk.

Not sure how true this is, but Harry although young, always seemed fiery and determined, whereas William was much quieter, so it's always stuck with me a potentially true.

This is what I recall too, William said he would walk if his grandfather walked and Harry said something along the lines of Well, if he's (William) walking then I am too!

ajandjjmum · 17/09/2022 20:30

I did think that it was nice that Louise and James were included as grandchildren (which of course they are), as previously they seem to have been lumped with the great grandchildren. They're growing up.....obviously!

JudgeJ · 17/09/2022 20:35

Pandabuggle · 17/09/2022 20:29

Glad someone else knew this and pointed it out. Same with the queen staying at Balmoral after the boys lost Diana, she wanted to stay and comfort them, but the public didn't understand this

Yet at the time the Press were vile to HM, she ought to be there with the baying hoardes, who were egged on by the papers! I disagreed totally at the time, she had received criticism in the years before because she had to go on long tours when her children were small and she hadn't paid them enough attention, yet when she drops everything for her grandsons she was also wrong ! I can't imagine any grandmother in the same circumstances not calling in work for a fewe days off.

HairyToity · 17/09/2022 20:36

I don't agree with putting youngsters on show, for public to gawp at. Yuck.

I find the whole idea of monarchy in 21st century ludicrous, and this putting kids on parade just make me uncomfortable.

BreadInCaptivity · 17/09/2022 20:38

S&E seem pretty grounded when it comes to their children.

They've made it clear it's their choice to be known as Princess/Prince or not when they are adults (which Louise now is).

They very successfully largely kept them out of the limelight especially when they were both very young.

I can't imagine they'd force them to do this and frankly as they are the youngest GC's they'd have a good get out clause (also a vigil by the GC is unprecedented).

As such I suspect all the GC wanted to do this and as pp's have already said, 14 (nearly 15) is not a very young child.

Dave20 · 17/09/2022 20:39

Harry was 12 and William 15 when their mum was killed.
The Queen got lots of flak at the time for not being ‘around’ at the time of Diana’s death. She was actually trying to protect the boys up in Balmoral form the media.
Tony Blair advised the Queen that she needed to win the public back around and make a statement.

The Royals were quite unpopular at the time and up until Diana’s death.
The media have a love hate relationship with them.
Give it a few months and they’ll turn on them for some other story to sell papers.

BreadInCaptivity · 17/09/2022 20:40

HairyToity · 17/09/2022 20:36

I don't agree with putting youngsters on show, for public to gawp at. Yuck.

I find the whole idea of monarchy in 21st century ludicrous, and this putting kids on parade just make me uncomfortable.

That's not the point.

It's about the GC paying their respects to their grandmother and it's been reported by multiple sources that the GC wanted to do this.

Yes it was televised, but it was hardly done for ratings.

Dave20 · 17/09/2022 20:41

bellac11 · 17/09/2022 19:03

Although Peter has never been a working royal and hasnt any experience at this either so although he iwll naturally be more resilient to cope with it due to his age its not something he's used to either

That’s true. Peter isn’t even a prince- because Anne ( his mother) didn’t want her children to have Royal titles. The only one of the Queens children to make that choice.

Dave20 · 17/09/2022 20:46

JudgeJ · 17/09/2022 20:27

Was iy my imagination or did he have a very strange hairline??

Peter Phillips is neither a working royal or has ever served in the military, so he wouldn’t have a uniform.

ajandjjmum · 17/09/2022 20:46

Dave20 · 17/09/2022 20:41

That’s true. Peter isn’t even a prince- because Anne ( his mother) didn’t want her children to have Royal titles. The only one of the Queens children to make that choice.

And coincidentally, the only girl! Grin

Adultchildofelderlyparents · 17/09/2022 20:50

They all did very well there but I did wonder, what was the point of it? To put them all out on display for people to stare at? The creepy marching in formation. They weren't "guarding" and were only there for 15 minutes, and they will have had private time to say goodbye at Balmoral and Buckingham Palace, so it can only be to show them off to the public. I thought the same with the four Queen's children yesterday. All a bit unnecessary. They should be left to grieve privately.

JustLyra · 17/09/2022 20:50

JudgeJ · 17/09/2022 20:27

Was iy my imagination or did he have a very strange hairline??

He’s losing his hair considerably now, but his is going top sides first rather than back to front like William’s did and Harry’s is.

onlythreenow · 17/09/2022 20:53

14 is old enough to decide for himself. I remember my cousin choosing to come to our grandfathers funeral at that age, we were surprised but it was his choice.

Of course he is old enough to make the choice. Why are teens so babied in the UK? My friend's two children, who are 6 and 8, have attended the funerals of two great-grandparents and one grandmother in the past year or so. They coped perfectly well. I realise that is not the same as being in the public eye, but James is a part of the Royal Family and understands how things work.

Sceptre86 · 17/09/2022 20:53

He's standing still for 15 minutes by his grans coffin. Honestly it isn't that much of a hardship and if he didn't want to his parents don't seem the type to have forced him.

PutinIsAWarCriminal · 17/09/2022 20:58

It was very moving but a little bit too much for me, with the whole world watching. The older ones yes, but not under 18s.

Zosime · 17/09/2022 20:58

The creepy marching in formation.

They marched in the order of the positions they were going to take up around the catafalque. Why is that creepy? Would it be more dignified to have them walk in in any order then be scuttling around to get to their places?