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The royal family

If Charles and William die before George is 18 who would you want as Regent?

153 replies

felulageller · 17/09/2022 08:35

Kate?
Harry??
Andrew????

What a bunfight!

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JustLyra · 17/09/2022 23:55

If Charles wanted to wipe out his entire line then he’d have to persuade his sons to abdicate or become Catholic, and to christen their children Catholic.

A King or Queen is now allowed to marry a Catholic, but becoming Catholic takes you out of the line of succession

CallMeLinda · 18/09/2022 00:15

JustLyra · 17/09/2022 23:55

If Charles wanted to wipe out his entire line then he’d have to persuade his sons to abdicate or become Catholic, and to christen their children Catholic.

A King or Queen is now allowed to marry a Catholic, but becoming Catholic takes you out of the line of succession

Interestingly, converting to any other religion is legally fine - although I suspect it would cause a crisis for direct heirs, as obviously the monarch is head of the protestant Church of England!

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 00:22

JustLyra · 17/09/2022 23:42

Edward VIII’s abdication speech abdicated his line.

Charles couldn’t abdicate for people already born. He could abdicate for any future children (extremely unlikely and fair way down anyway, but theoretically possible).

An Act of Parliament is required for every abdication. The Act would set out the effect of the abdication on heirs. When Edward the VIII abdicated, the Act governing his abdication disqualified any future children of his. The person abdicating does not determine what happens to his heirs; Parliament does that.

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 00:30

I should add, Parliament and any heirs who already exist. If Charles were to abdicate he could not disinherit William. By the same token, if William abdicated he could not disinherit George. Parliament could, but it would be highly unlikely.

travellingfamily · 18/09/2022 09:55

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/17/king-charles-seeks-amend-law-who-can-act-official-stand-in/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1663446642-1

Article in the Telegraph today about how Charles may amend Counsellors of State to include working royals only.

JustLyra · 18/09/2022 10:04

travellingfamily · 18/09/2022 09:55

I don’t think there’s any chance he’ll actually do that.

That would give him William, Edward, Anne and the Duke of Gloucester.

The Duke is 78. George can’t be a CoS for at least 9 years, and he can only be one at 18 if he’s the direct heir. if Charles dies before then then the next option would be Princess Alexandra who is 85.

Given that of his 5 (Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew & Beatrice) the 2 that he’d use if necessary would be Camilla and William it’s only in the circumstances that him and Camilla were away that Beatrice would be needed to assist William.

travellingfamily · 18/09/2022 10:10

Well, he could change it to include the souse of the direct heir as well as the souse of the monarch. So them at would be William, Kate, Edward and Anne. All of them have a very good chance of living (and working) for the next 10 years.

travellingfamily · 18/09/2022 10:10

Spouse.

JustLyra · 18/09/2022 10:16

That would still leave an issue for William if anything happens to Charles in the next 10 years as he’d have Kate, Anne, Edward and George so he’d be short one or be needing to insist that the Duke of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra don’t official retire until the Cambridge kids are 21

ajandjjmum · 18/09/2022 10:21

Enko · 17/09/2022 23:19

@ajandjjmum the last list before Prince Philip died compiled on 1 January 2001, had Prince Philip at number 556 in line to the throne.

I have a recollection reading somewhere he was something like 160th at the time of him marrying Elizabeth

To put that into context when he married Elizabeth Princess Margaret would have been next in line for the throne and now her son David Armstrong-Jones is 24th in line (many others would also have had children since their marriage)

When Anne was born she was 2nd in line to the throne now she is 16th

Thank you - I never knew that, and it's really interesting.

Theredjellybean · 18/09/2022 10:39

If Charles wanted to wipe out his entire line then he’d have to persuade his sons to abdicate or become Catholic, and to christen their children Catholic.

good grief can you imagine the look on Kate and her mother's face if that happened.
If it was a choice on regent then definitely Edward , or Zara Tindell ( calm, steady, married succesfully, older) .
Harry - a bit unknown, seems quite emotionally fragile, but and he would have lost his father and brother in this scenario, but he may step up.

But the fact is it is not about who is appropriate or who the public think is appropriate , there are laws that govern this stuff.

WeepingSomnambulist · 18/09/2022 11:50

JustLyra · 18/09/2022 10:16

That would still leave an issue for William if anything happens to Charles in the next 10 years as he’d have Kate, Anne, Edward and George so he’d be short one or be needing to insist that the Duke of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra don’t official retire until the Cambridge kids are 21

How would he be short one? The line of succession is hundreds of people long. The first 4 people in the one over the age of 21 would be his stand ins. He wouldnt be short. Even if loads of them died in some accident, the line of succession has hundreds of names. The first 4 over the age of 21 would be the stand ins.

WeepingSomnambulist · 18/09/2022 11:53

Oh, wait. I see. You're talking about them amending it to working royals only.

That's not going to happen. They're slimming down the working royals so if they want to keep the 4 stand ins then they cant change that to working royals only.

Libertyqueen · 18/09/2022 11:58

I think it would (rightly) be Kate

JustLyra · 18/09/2022 12:54

WeepingSomnambulist · 18/09/2022 11:53

Oh, wait. I see. You're talking about them amending it to working royals only.

That's not going to happen. They're slimming down the working royals so if they want to keep the 4 stand ins then they cant change that to working royals only.

Which was my point

Acrosstheseas · 18/09/2022 12:57

Edward

FrodisCapering · 18/09/2022 13:03

The Queen appointed Philip as a potential regent, but she had to get it cleared by Parliament.
With that in mind, there's no reason Catherine couldn't do similar. It would make the most sense as George would be closest to her.

Snugglemonkey · 18/09/2022 13:10

I believe it would be Harry.

Dinoteeth · 18/09/2022 14:31

Enko · 17/09/2022 23:33

Well went googling (Always dangerous) this list has 5000 so my guess at 1000 was very wrong

the list is from before Elizabeth passed.

My word, imagine trying to keep track of that(babies, deaths etc)
That is fascinating stuff. Thank-you

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 14:47

Someone also has to keep track of who has converted to the Roman Catholic Church. That has removed several, especially in the Kent family.

Porcupineintherough · 18/09/2022 14:53

CourtneeLuv · 17/09/2022 09:05

Meagain would be back to the UK faster than concorde if Harry was regent/crowned.

Well yeah, you'd hope so wouldn't you? Hmm

Dinoteeth · 18/09/2022 15:10

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 14:47

Someone also has to keep track of who has converted to the Roman Catholic Church. That has removed several, especially in the Kent family.

It's mind blogging I almost can't see why they'd bother but then if being 500 odd in line for the thrown gave Philip a different status to someone not at all in line then I almost understand it.

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 15:25

Philip's being in line to the throne had nothing to do with his being named regent, though.

He was very aware of his place in the British RF, however. Evidently, during the engagement period, he was being shown around Windsor Castle by a somewhat patronizing courtier, who was "royalsplaining" to Philip about the importance of Windsor Castle to the family he was marrying into. Philip replied: "Yes, I know. My mother was born here."

JustLyra · 18/09/2022 16:17

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 15:25

Philip's being in line to the throne had nothing to do with his being named regent, though.

He was very aware of his place in the British RF, however. Evidently, during the engagement period, he was being shown around Windsor Castle by a somewhat patronizing courtier, who was "royalsplaining" to Philip about the importance of Windsor Castle to the family he was marrying into. Philip replied: "Yes, I know. My mother was born here."

It was one of the ways of making it an acceptable choice despite his foreignness and not, at that point, a Prince.

They couldn’t openly say “he’s got a penis and Margaret is too much of a party animal so that makes him better”

SenecaFallsRedux · 18/09/2022 17:08

Plus Margaret was quite young; only 21 when her father died.