Public members rude to meghan

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I've seen a clip on Instagram where a group of women completely blanked MM when she spoke to them. It was awful to watch.
I feel so sorry for her, she didn't deserve that at all.
I saw another clip where someone had asked her for a hug, she obliged and when they hugged she really held the member of public and closed her eyes, it looked as if she really needed that hug .
No wonder she ran away from the UK

Here is Meghan's exact quote from the interview in regards to Archine not having a title. She and Harry were worried about Archie not having security. I understand that Archie and Lilli were not entitled to titles at that point.

Do I think she understood protocol at the time? I have no idea because I do not know her. But I do know that if I was a mother and had already experienced years of what the media has done to her, I would have asked for whatever it took to keep my children safe, even if that means creating titles. (I am not saying that she did that by the way)

"They were saying they didn't want him to be a prince or princess, which would be different from protocol, and that he wasn't going to receive security," Meghan said. "This went on for the last few months of our pregnancy where I was going, hold on for a second."
"They said [he's not going to get security], because he's not going to be a prince. Okay, well, he needs to be safe so we're not saying don't make him a prince or princess, but if you're saying the title is what's going to affect that protection, we haven't created this monster machine around us in terms of clickbait and tabloid fodder you've allowed that to happen which means our son needs to be safe." Meghan said no good explanation was given: "I heard a lot of it through Harry and a lot of it through conversations with family members."

One of the reasons why they moved to California is because the state has very specific laws regarding photographing the children of public figures. If they weren't going to get security in the UK because they did not have titles, they may as well take their children somewhere the laws will give them better protection.

As for if they will use their Prince/Princess titles now that they can, I doubt it. No one in the US gives a fuck about royal titles. It is their birthright to use them in the UK though.

Blanking her? Dear god, my school bully rocked up to my mums funeral and I smiled, thanked her for coming and shook her hand.

some people just don’t know how to behave themselves!

@Diverseopinions It's possible yes, but do you know it's the case? Everything you've said about the protocol surrounding the death of the Queen sounds like pretty generic common sense, but I'm not seeing where Meghan politely saying she had promised to lay some flowers down is a breach in protocol. I imagine if receiving flowers was a significant safety concern they wouldn't allow any members of the RF to take them directly from the public.

So essentially you're projecting what you think you know about how things might be arranged behind the scenes, and then concluding that Meghan has done something noteworthily wrong based on that.

No disrespect but I'm not going to get into a discussion with you about Disney princesses or Kardashians vs constitutional monarchy because that's a massively wider discussion that really doesn't have much to do with some quibbling over flowers. I'm aware of the royal family's constitutional role though, yes.

They were certainly not there expecting Harry and Meghan to show up. She needs a dose of reality so I think on balance great that someone says no to her from time to time 😅

Christ on a bike yes we do know. Its someones job.

I realise that. I mean has it come from the Sussexes? Is it that protocol has not been followed simply for fear of offend them?

It was very unfortunate that Harry and Meghan just happened to be in UK when Queen died. Much easier all around if they had flown in for funeral then went back to US. They are no longer part of working RF. Harry is still entitled to pay his respects to his Gran who I am sure he loved but really Harry and Meghan and Andrew caused her Majesty the Queen a lot of stress in her final few years and Prince Phillip also. Many people dislike Meghan because she is a liar nothing to do with skin colour or race. She never got married 3 days before her wedding, no one said Archie could not be a prince because of his skin colour, the man from Lion King cast has stated he has never even spoken to Meghan let alone said people danced on her wedding day LL Iike they did when Mandela was released, and he is the only African in the entire cast. She said she had not seen her sister for 20 years but her sister has a photo of them together at her graduation 12 years before and on and on the lies go. I don't like her lies and behaviour towards RF and really wish she would just stop repeating the lies. If she and Harry stopped constantly attacking the RF I think they could patch up relationship with them. Time will tell but Harry has book to come out. I suppose it depends what he puts about RF.

so everything is mapped out. So when i say should have i mean there is no excuse if it hasnt happened. Clearly protocol has been followed in part because we know other title changes

Yes, in part because most of the discussions on title changes will have taken place in advance and with the people concerned, with the exception of PH because he won’t meet his father. It’s then likely that no discussion on his childrens titles this has taken place so, the situation remains unchanged for the time being. As I said earlier the ball is likely now in the Sussexes court. They may have painted themselves into a corner on this issue.

@caringcarer

It was very unfortunate that Harry and Meghan just happened to be in UK when Queen died.

WTAF. That’s his grandmother. How sick to be sad that he was in the country when his beloved grandmother died.

Quite honestly, I think that the hatred for Meghan is rooted in Xenophobia before racism. In fact I saw on a thread just yesterday someone make a mention about her not being British like it was a bad thing.

That is my opinion based on what I have read on social media and in news articles the last few years. I also base that on my experience as an American when talking on UK based sites such as MN.

I am white, so I have not experienced racism in the US or the UK. But one can easily find articles from black British citizens that explains their experience.

What is sad is that right now, posters are literally quibbling over her holding flowers. Something so insignificant in the large photo. Really? That is what is important?

*in the large scheme of things

Not sure how my brain got photo in there

Im honestly done with this thread because its like talking to jelly dealing with some of you.

Says the person who is spouting that 28 year old prince Charles went through a paternity test in 1976 to check he was Prince Phillip’s son? Even if this was true (given this is before DMA testing was available, so it was an inexact science at best) why on earth would such sensitive medical and security information be publicly available? Why would the Queen consent to this? Why would prince Phillip? Why would Charles?

And if you are doing a dissertation of royal “bloodlines” and talking of paternity tests, there’s not a great deal of crossover between that and the law and custom applied to the exercise of the crown’s prerogative rights, which is what we are talking about here when we discuss how the Letters Patent are created and applied. That’s constitutional law, not science or history.

Also, and I hesitate to get into this for fear of provoking someone’s ire, but my understanding is that while the sovereign definitely has the title “Prince of Wales” in their gift, it is normally formalised by Letters Patent. So, Prince Charles was created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester by Letters Patent dated 26 July 1958, when he was 9 and a half years old.

Charles obviously announced William would be granted the title in his accession address, and William started to use the title right away. We have no idea however whether Letters Patent had already been prepared and signed, or whether this is all being done on an informal basis until Charles has a spot free in his busy diary to get around to it. If the former, who knows what other things he might have tidied up by Letters Patent at the same time?

Bottom line: we have no idea what’s gone on behind the scenes. The other changes don’t help, as Charles > King and William > Duke of Cornwall happened automatically on the Queen’s death. No notifications were needed to make those legally effective!

DNA testing has been around since the 1920s

It really hasn't

Dna testing as been around since the 1920’s

Impressive, when DNA wasn’t identified until 1953. What an idiotic thing to say!

FWIW I think the issues with the flowers is an important one that Megan had not been made aware of or actively ignored because she imagined the images sent around the world of her laying the 'peoples flowers'.

I would imagine it's royal etiquette to hand them to assistants rather than take a select few and lay them.
Imagine the optics from the general public, a royal graciously takes your flowers. They cannnot possibly take all bouquets and lay them because that would be ridiculous.
But if they had taken your flowers to
Lay you might feel 'special' but what of all of the others with flowers which weren't taken and laid?

In this scenario I think it's a case of
If you can't do for all you will do for none.

Makes sense and just another small piece in the puzzle of royal etiquette.

Who hadn't taught her the nuances or wether she chose to disregard them Will likely never been known.

Which ever side your loyalty lies it's bad management by someone

@Completelyovernonsense Watson and crick may disagree.

@mumsnet could you please just remove my posts from this thread because i cant cope with these bigots a second longer.

Wow, talk about throwing your toys out of the pram when people question your spurious claims.

If you want to post some sources for your DNA testing back in 1976 - no it was the 1920s, no actually it was 1886 - claims , feel free. Given FINGERPRINT identification was only first successfully used in 1892, I remain sceptical.

This is one of the most bizarre twists I have ever seen in a thread, ever.

Maybe because they don’t like her. She managed to fall out with all her family then caused Harry to fall out with his , oh no none of it is her fault of course. The Oprah thing was beyond tacky and she is a proven liar. She would have caused the Queen a lot of stress in her last years. As for her being all nice and hugging g the public she knew all eyes were in her and wanted to come across as warm and kind. An act.

Her father is getting a restraining order for threatening to kill someone. But yes, she should still be in contact.

Drivinmecrazy, I think that’s overthinking it. Granted, royals don’t often get in a siatuation where they take flowers from the crowds behind the cordon, and then put them on the pile themselves. But they definitely have done so. Here’s Prince Phillip at Buckingham Palace before Diana’s funeral:

In this case, it was just logistics. The flowers were at the Windsor gates. The crowds started at least 20 metres away, and then went up the line of the Long Walk away from the gates. As the two couples moved up the line, moving further away from the gate as they did so, they were all given flowers. Meghan, the first recipient, appears to have told the donor that she’d take them to the gates herself. Maybe she thought she’d only get one bunch? Maybe she thought when they left, they’d walk back behind the gates to where they had originally got out of the car? Who knows.

In any event, the further they went up the line of the crowd, and the further they walked away from the gates, the less feasible this became. The assistants took the bunches from each of them and walked them back to lay them down themselves.

Since the flowers weren’t for the couples, but for the Queen, I can’t imagine anyone in the crowd would have been put out by this - their flowers still ended up where they wanted them and they got to interact with the family members.