Do you think they knew the Queen was about to die last week?

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Do you think that they knew that the Queen was about to die last week? It seems that they probably did on the actual day because there was some decline and Charles and Anne hurried to be with her. But they were both in Scotland at the time so reasonable handy.

But the rest of the family were not there and didn’t make it there until after her death. But maybe that was the plan so that she could die quietly and only Charles and Anne would be present, so that it didn’t draw attention and turn into a media circus.

I know it doesn’t matter, but I just wondered if it was a carefully crafted plan to give the Queen some peace at the end, or if it actually came as a bit of a surprise last week?

For goodness sake this speculation of a woman of 96. I know of people in their 30s who have suddenly died. My own father died very suddenly not nearly as old as QE. At that age someone can die very quickly especially if they have been pretty active as she was. I just get tired of these tabloid stories which is sheer speculation of inside sources which are purely fictitious. Our beloved queen was a very old lady and very old ladies die - very suddenly sometimes.

Yeah, of course- the queen was definitely think- "best not die on Monday...it will be such a faff for everyone else- I'll wait until Thursday!"

Every person I have known who has died of cancer was in lots of pain and very, very poorly and the last week or so of their life they spent in hospital or a hospice on high doses of morphine, rendering them barely conscious.

you can ask not to have so much drugs to make you barely conscious, and it does get followed.

I would add to this that I’ve noticed those who have had recent treatment (chemo/radiotherapy) are often weaker and find the end harder than those who have opted to let nature take its course with just symptomatic treatment. Purely anecdotal I should add.Treatments for cancer aren’t to be taken lightly and take a massive toll on the body.

It’s often a question of weighing up the pros and cons for a lot of people; treatment to extend life or ceasing treatment and focussing on managing symptoms. it wouldn’t be shocking for a person in their 90’s to choose the latter.

I was reading a biography about a famous musician who was in his early 80s. He was quite frail but was chatting to his producer about some recordings he was hoping to make. Suddenly he fell back and died. Why? Because his heart had stopped. Cause? Old age!

You mean he had a massive heart attack?. This Is not uncommon, in fact my fil died from one in his sixties. He died instantly.

I absolutely feel that her death came sooner than expected. I am quite certain that had there been indications that HRH was in the last few weeks or days of her life then her other two children would have been in Scotland and the press, for once, would have been briefed and there would have been a moratorium on news from Balmoral.

With old people the heart can just give out.

Cardiac arrest. Quite common in people of all sorts of ages. Have you heard of Fabrice Muamba or Christian Eriksen? Young men at the peak of physical fitness who had a cardiac arrest! They were only saved because the medics and equipment needed to save them were right on hand.

Prince Edward daughter is at St. Andrews. If he thought his mother was dying he could have been in Scotland without causing much of a fuss.

And it's not like the queen wouldn't have had an army of people caring for her - it wouldn't fall to princess Ann to be there to care for her

The Queen always spent summer at Balmoral, not returning to London until October, and Prince Charles spends most of his summer up there too. The others in the family make long visits too. Not usually mentioned in the press, because they were left alone during the summer hols, but unusually this year we knew when the Wessexes went (after A level results day and after Lady Lousie finished her summer job, but before start of term at St Andrews)

There really doesn't seem to have been anything atypical about this year, either in who visited or how much the public were told about it.

it was atypical because the queen wasnt at Braemar

And it's not like the queen wouldn't have had an army of people caring for her - it wouldn't fall to princess Ann to be there to care for her

Indeed.

She also had a 'medical team'.

It wasn't Anne running up and down the stairs with cups of tea and dishing out her meds.

The family will have known for some months she was increasingly ill and not likely to make Christmas. But they would not have been with her close by for a few months visiting daily. That is not how they operate. Remember they do not visit each other in hospital when ill either.

She'd missed loads of things this year because of frailty.

I was really sure that she'd make it to The Derby, but no

The family will have known for some months she was increasingly ill and not likely to make Christmas

You speculate.

That maybe your experience.
I know two people who died off cancer one was up and about as normal at the weekend and gone within hours of diagnosis.
Another who's was terminally ill but was up and about their heart just gave out. It was treated by the police as a sudden death.

Totally agree it wouldn't have been Ann who was caring for her.
I would have put it more like Ann was keeping her company rather than running around caring for her.
Remember this was only the Queens second summer without her beloved Philip, emotionally she must still have been raw and missing him.

I too have speculated that it may have been some effort to enable The Queen to meet Johnson and Truss last Tuesday.

What I find interesting though is that the pool photographer who took those last pictures has said that she was in the room with HM prior to Truss arriving and she was chatting about the weather.

So it would seem she was still able to converse and the 'meetings' weren't only photo ops.

That, plus her children not arriving in time* suggest a very quick change in circumstances,

*do we actually know they didn't make it?

do we actually know they didn't make it?

Not 100%, because I don't think the time of death has been confirmed - but it's believed to have been around 4:30 pm. And that's around when the plane with Prince William, the Wessexes and the Duke of York arrive, isn't it (shown on the news, as was their arrival at Balmoral gates, so their timeline can be demonstrated). If death certificate is published (which I think they often ate) then we'll be able to compare times more definitely.

What I find interesting though is that the pool photographer who took those last pictures has said that she was in the room with HM prior to Truss arriving and she was chatting about the weather.

Yes and she mentions the Queen walking to where she was needed and being 'happy and smiley'.

the vicar/reverand who met her last weekend also expressed his great surprise

although the photographer was hardly likely to gossip

Time of death hasn’t been confirmed but it has been confirmed that William et al did not arrive in time.