Do you think they knew the Queen was about to die last week?

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Do you think that they knew that the Queen was about to die last week? It seems that they probably did on the actual day because there was some decline and Charles and Anne hurried to be with her. But they were both in Scotland at the time so reasonable handy.

But the rest of the family were not there and didn’t make it there until after her death. But maybe that was the plan so that she could die quietly and only Charles and Anne would be present, so that it didn’t draw attention and turn into a media circus.

I know it doesn’t matter, but I just wondered if it was a carefully crafted plan to give the Queen some peace at the end, or if it actually came as a bit of a surprise last week?

Time of death hasn’t been confirmed but it has been confirmed that William et al did not arrive in time.

What a shame for them.

Both my in laws died within minutes heart attack. Father after a round of golf. Mother was there. Mother in the hospital for a minor OP on her wrist.

It was shocking for the family but I guess the best way to go for them.

I think the photograph they showed of the family arriving at Balmoral said it all. The grief was etched in their faces. NW rightly didn’t want to speculate.

By the time they were arriving, the PM was being informed (her office has confirmed when that happened) and about the same time the main broadcasters knew (and had broken from ordinary broadcasting, something that was a known part of London Bridge). The arrival at Aberdeen airport was around that time too, as it was shown, and arrival by car at Balmoral gates a while after

The main TV anchors would also have known at that point, and were embargoed from saying until the formal announcement came.

I definitely wouldn't take Boris Johnson's word on the nature of their relationship. Well, I wouldn't take it on anything, to be fair.

She didn't have end stage cancer haemorrhaging. She had a bruise from a cannula in one hand.

The level of haemorrhage that cancer can cause depends on the type of cancer. not just stage. Some very much do produce bruising

Death certificates are a matter of public record, that of George VI was published, so we might find out a little more about cause after 8 days have passed (that's the deadline by which deaths must be registered in Scotland)

It was clear death was imminent due to the end stage cancer heammoraghing on her hands and arms but imminent can be a day or a week.

🙄 🙄 🙄 honestly

If you look carefully, her neck was bruised up to the makeup.

Please could someone direct me to a copy of the photo showing the apparent neck bruising in sufficiently high enough resolution to see?

whether or not it was a cannula is a horribly intrusive observation.
elderly people do get purple marks very easily.

elderly people do get purple marks very easily.

Yep. This insistence on a cannula or even 'end stage cancer'.

Maybe. But elderly people's skin can look like that anyway! And she was very elderly.

I suppose it's not 'dramatic' enough for MN.

Please could someone direct me to a copy of the photo showing the apparent neck bruising in sufficiently high enough resolution to see?

exactly

Yep my dh ,step dad died a month ago ,he had been in hospital for a hip operation and was discharged ,sat on the settee and just passed away .

I cannot remember which media outlet, but I blew it up and the purple was quite obvious. I'm sure if you look you'll find one of high enough resolution. I'll have a look to see if I can find it, but I showed DH and he could see it clearly.

I'll look for it, but I blew it up and showed DH. It was quite clear. Also her fingers were purple too, one was white.

@MaggieFS If you Google images of last photo the pics are of a higher resolution than the newspaper ones.

I just checked Google images, yes it's clearly visible.

My mother used to get bruising like the one on the Queen's hand, because she took anti-coagulant medication. It seems quite likely that the Queen may have been prescribed something similar.

That is interesting about anti-coagulants causing the dark coloration. Really, it looks like an unexpected catastrophic stroke where a move to hospital was thought unsurvivable. She clearly felt unwell the day before as her meeting was cancelled.

Basically the lady was 96 and her body was wearing out. It does not 'need' to have been cancer. I actually think with hindsight that we seem to have expected far too much of her. A 96 year old head of state is ludicrous when you think of it.

Lots of us said she should have retired by now and were told nonsense, she was fit and could carry on until well after 100. People see what they want to see sometimes.

Basically the lady was 96 and her body was wearing out. It does not 'need' to have been cancer. I actually think with hindsight that we seem to have expected far too much of her. A 96 year old head of state is ludicrous when you think of it.

I doubt she would agree with you.

And that's the deal with a monarchy. If they want to they go till they stop drawing breath.

Twas ever thus.

Lots of us said she should have retired by now and were told nonsense, she was fit and could carry on until well after 100. People see what they want to see sometimes.

Tbh it was up to the queen , herself.

@sunglassesonthetable she was obviously struggling and was unlikely to see 100.

she was obviously struggling and was unlikely to see 100.

I couldn't have predicted when she would have lived to.

She was definitely slowing down at 96 but she saw in a new PM 2 days before she died.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.