More Alleged Dodgy Donations

[antelopevalley]

It appears that Prince Charles is happy to enable and encourage donations from anyone to his charities. Million in a suitcase or carrier bags? No problems. From Osama Bin Laden's family? No problem. From someone with ties to Putin? No problem. From someone seeking an honour through a donation? No problem.
This man is going to be our King.

"Prince Charles met a Russian oligarch with links to Vladimir Putin the same year his charity accepted a £300,000 donation from the businessman. The Prince’s Foundation received the cash from a charity run by Moshe Kantor in 2020, despite the billionaire having been named on a ‘Putin list’ released by the US Treasury in 2018.
Mr Kantor, who lives in a £31million mansion in Hampstead, north London, was sanctioned by the UK in April after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But the Moscow-born oligarch had already spent years forging ties with Putin, while funnelling more than £15.5million into British institutions, including a £ 3 million pledge to the Prince’s Foundation.
The revelations have sparked fresh concerns over Charles’s dealings with controversial donors after reports that he ‘brokered’ a donation from the family of Osama Bin Laden – which Clarence House has denied."

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Threads like this are always so quiet lol

Add in a few words for the demented Meghan Markle haters and you may get some activity.

Everyone is just gonna brush over it like they did with Prince Michael of Kent.

Any other pleb would be on the watchlist with all these interactions.

Another day, another thread @antelopevalley ?

So true.
Also true re the Meghan Markle bashers.

Well, new allegations about Prince Charles's dodgy financial dealings keep turning up. Or are we only allowed to talk about one of the allegations?

I agree with the others though that a real scandal like this is ignored by many. Cash for honours, a million pounds in a suitcase and carrier bags, accepting money from anyone no matter what their connections are, all seem to be less important than whatever latest nonsense is being said about Harry and Meghan.

All the apologists for the Royal Family will minimise this scandal. It is clear the Royal Family do whatever they want.
I hope the new Crown reminds people of sordid details like Tampongate and Charles cheating. I do not care about stuff like that, but I do want the public to stop supporting them unthinkingly.

I don't really understand the lack of interest in Charles' dodgy dealings.

The man has shown an appalling lack of judgement not just financially but also in the company he's chosen to keep over the decades he's spent limbering up for the crown and yet every single time another scandal comes to light he escapes with a bound.

I can only hope his reign spells the end for the whole tired circus.

Do you think people do not understand the financial scandals?

I think they either don't understand (it's intricate) or they don't care.

Apathy alongside allergy to change is the royals' best friend

They understand only too well (see below).

Apathy alongside allergy to change is the royals' best friend

There is that third explanation that I mention in my posts - knowledge that change will only bring about sameness ("Meet the new boss same as the old boss" type of thing). Take Pelosi's husband who trades the stock market on 'insider knowledge' courtesy of wife. Or, the royals and their shenanigans as discussed on these threads. Or, the green initiatives that politician families invest in on information that ordinary folk are not privy to. Or, the foundations and charities that they all run with their dodgy donors. These financial scandals are endemic at this level. Pick any one of them and there will be a financial scandal accompanying them. The whole thing is just too big.

It is this that saves the royals - our knowledge that nothing will change even if we get social change. The royals are doing exactly what is expected of them because people at the 'top' of society do these things. Nothing to see here. That's why there is no interest.

@MaulPerton That is a very depressing worldview. We can change things.

Realistic rather than depressing. Your position is hope over evidence, and that's fine. Hope is enough to live on, but it's not reality. We need to be cautious when acting on hope as we can end up in an even worse place.

But we do have some countries where corruption is more rife than others. At the moment corruption is pretty rife in the UK.

This idea that royals ought to be fine, upstanding paragons of virtue is a late 20th century notion isn't it? It's pretty much the invention of the current queen, and maybe her father because of the fallout from the abdication, and then the war.

Charles is behaving like most royals always have done. They're really only the entitled descendants of medieval tyrants. Having hereditary monarchs as head of state inevitably results in them being corrupt. Why wouldn't they be? They're constitutionally untouchable.

I'm always amazed that anyone is surprised they're wrong 'uns.

Good point that their hereditary status leads almost inevitably to corruption.

I'm not quite sure where the narrative of virtue has sprung from but I suspect earlier than late 20C. We've had some pretty badly behaved monarchs but they unlike the present lot have benefited from centuries worth of deference with its attendant lack of transparency. It's so much harder to sustain in a more connected, educated,questioning age and Charles, seemingly not recognising this is behaving like a throwback.

HMQ reportedly regretted and suppressed the ground-breaking 1960's documentary on royal life which was supposed to showcase how ordinary they were.

They're now all about keeping a lid on a reptile pit.

It's so much harder to sustain in a more connected, educated,questioning age

It is interesting that there is nevertheless still a great deal of support for the monarchy despite our living in the more connected, educated and questioning age.

Just yesterday you were vehemently defending Meghan and Harry staying for several weeks at the home of the Russian billionaire who appeared on exactly the same 2018 US list!! The whiplash must be painful…

Looking at the news report of this, the Russian in question, Moshe Kantor, has a charitable foundation and it agreed a 10 year donation plan with Prince Charles’ charitable foundation in 2019. They were to donate £300,000 a year for 10 years. The first payment was made in 2019, the second in 2020.

Separately in 2020 Prince Charles was requested by the UK government to attend the World Holocaust Forum, which was organised by Moshe Kantor. He was pictured there speaking with Kantor.

So - no allegations that Prince Charles had any prior dealings with Kantor, no allegations that he brokered the donations personally, no allegations that the donations weren’t considered and agreed by Prince Charles’ charity’s own trustees rather than the Prince himself, and no allegations that the funds from the Foundation were tainted other than Moshe Kantor’s inclusion on the 2018 list. (The Foundation is now subject to sanctions but almost everyone with a Russian connection is).

Obviously you can make your own mind up (I’m sure you all will!) but if you’re going to throw around words like corruption you’d need way more than this.

In case anyone is interested, here’s the Foundation’s list of donations (from its publicly available audited accounts) setting out every institution it donated money to in the relevant years. Hmmm, wonder if we’ll be seeing stories about the Royal Marsden or the Thrombosis Research Institute (the biggest recipient) and their dodgy financial dealings? Somehow I doubt it.

And I clarified even back then that those were just Russians, not the Kremlin's people.
You seem unable to differentiate those who are not British, just as you lumped all "Arabs' together in another post.

Also you forgot to mention that H&M cannot TRADE FAVOURS FOR TITLES AND CITIZENSHIP !

The 'support' comes from older generation, especially those who think about the war. Most of the 'support' also comes from the media.

Most young people can see them as the petty, creepy, sinister family that they are.

The internet age has, in fact, done the opposite, by taking the spotlight off the RF. The increased availability of information has caused us to cast our net wider, making us realise that it is not only the RF who do the things that you describe. Maybe we keep them after all lest we get someone even worse!

Yeah, I don't think that argument stands up.The fact that some people are corrupt and fill their boots if they can get away with it does not mean that we should just accept the royals doing the same ( literally institutionalising it )

It's true that the population is generally apathetic but they used to be respectful. Next step is anger.
Almost every day we hear about shady financial deals and backhanders- oh it's royals - let's look the other way.

I saw today that the useless greenwashing Earthshot spent 12 million this year . 5 million on prizes. I suspect the rest was spent on ceremonies and other promotion of William and Kate .

The uk is doing badly in terms of the economy and cost of living . Yes attention should be focussed on the energy companies but the cost of the royals needs looked at too. Not just the sovereign grant but the true overall cost .

I agree. The idea that we should just accept corruption from the Royal Family because other people do it too, is an incredibly depressing one.
Should we accept rich people abusing girls because other people do it too?
Or should we be challenging corruption and trying to minimise it?

I would also add that if we know about the corruption of politicians it's because it's come to light .

If there is one word for royal arrangements re financies it's 'murky'

We do know that the law doesn't apply to them . Handy that .