More Alleged Dodgy Donations

[antelopevalley]

It appears that Prince Charles is happy to enable and encourage donations from anyone to his charities. Million in a suitcase or carrier bags? No problems. From Osama Bin Laden's family? No problem. From someone with ties to Putin? No problem. From someone seeking an honour through a donation? No problem.
This man is going to be our King.

"Prince Charles met a Russian oligarch with links to Vladimir Putin the same year his charity accepted a £300,000 donation from the businessman. The Prince’s Foundation received the cash from a charity run by Moshe Kantor in 2020, despite the billionaire having been named on a ‘Putin list’ released by the US Treasury in 2018.
Mr Kantor, who lives in a £31million mansion in Hampstead, north London, was sanctioned by the UK in April after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But the Moscow-born oligarch had already spent years forging ties with Putin, while funnelling more than £15.5million into British institutions, including a £ 3 million pledge to the Prince’s Foundation.
The revelations have sparked fresh concerns over Charles’s dealings with controversial donors after reports that he ‘brokered’ a donation from the family of Osama Bin Laden – which Clarence House has denied."

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I don't disagree with any of that and would happily vote for a better system. Except, nobody has come on yet to advocate for that better system. Which country and system of governance should we emulate? I would want guarantees that we are getting something corruption-proof before we get rid of the royals.

No one is going to produce a detailed paper on that here.

A petition to be allowed a referendum on the monarchy would be a start !

@MaulPerton

Didn't you say in another thread that corruption is everywhere ? Nothing is 100%corruption proof .

The Irish presidents have a good history - why don't you look at that system and see the sort of individuals who inhabit that role
Mary Robinson is a good place to start

@MaulPerton sorry it was this thread ! You say at the start that corruption is endemic . Why would you hold a president to a much higher standard than the royals?

I mean look at all the information we are finally getting re money for honours, money out of one pocket into another re the crown estates , never mind Andrew ( I mean come on!)
That's all probably the tip of the ice berg .
At least a president would be subject to the same laws as the rest of us ! That would be a start

All human systems of governance are corruptible because it is people who are corruptible. This means that we are relying on the vagaries of character in those who lead us to be decent or not. We may get a really decent president and then a run of several corrupt ones, but, and this is important, exactly the same can be said of a monarchy - a corrupt monarch followed by a decent one, etc.. Therefore, corruption is not the great differentiator between systems of governance that people think it is. Other factors may be more important when deciding for or against a system.

The fact is that checks and balances can be put in place when the monarchy is replaced.

The problem with the current system is it has limped along into modern times trailing it's medieval deference and secrecy

Look how each 'royal' interference in law or ' special exception' from tax has been hidden . There is a member of the house of lords who has been trying for years to get Charles tax arrangements for the Duchy of Cornwall looked at properly. Ridiculous !
If it's corruption that is your concern @MaulPerton you need to start at the top and dismantle the institution that the royals hide behind

@PurpleWisteria are you the thread police?

Has some rule been broken ?

I find it very odd that anyone is so obsessed with a single issue. If you don't that's fine but I am allowed to comment - you are not the thread police.

@PurpleWisteria you find it 'odd ' do you?
Lots of people reply to the threads . Some with hundreds of comments.

If you find it odd that people are interested in particular issue ( and royal privilege and cost in 2022 is a v relevant issue) you better sit down before you click this link :

www.republic.org.uk/

I struggle to care about the royal family.

I do find it a bit disturbing when a poster seems obsessed with a single issue and wonder if they are quite well.

'Struggling to care about the royal family'

1. Perhaps you should - there so a lot of expense and privilege that merits investigation

1. Why bother with the royal section of mumsnet at all if you have no interest ?

@Novella4

1. No. Very small amount in the scale of things.
2. It came up in trending - are you the thread police?

Also I'm not the only person on this thread to say this, why just single me out? I was agreeing with another poster.

Off you go and attempt to give her a hard time as well.

@purplewisteria

You re quoted @ajandjjmums comment from Wednesday morning. @ajandjjmum didn't seem to want the thread to appear.

No one took much notice of @ajandmums comment - in fact I don't think anyone responded .

If you are here to defend Charlie's dodgy dealings let's hear it

@PurpleWisteria
I see your original post here re quoting @ajandjjmum has been deleted for breaking guidelines.

@Novella4

Still waiting for you to have a go at the other posters who disagree ... Or is it only me you want to have a go at?

Not surprised to have post deleted. Some posters are known for crying to MNHQ. I have broad shoulders.

@PurpleWisteria

The only posts concerned are @ajandjjmum and yours - reposting her post from Wednesday morning .
Neither @ajandjjmum nor you were actually making any points. Just attacking the very idea of another thread questioning the royals . Is that your problem? Better get used imto it .

Your first post was deleted .

I've replied to you repeatedly .

I'm not sure what you want me to do next .

What I want you to do is allow me to have an opinion. But you seem unable to do thaat.

I've already said - let's hear it

That's quite enough nit-picking for today. You have used up your quota.

The amount of money given to/spent on the royal family is a drop in the ocean compared to unpaid taxes by big companies.

I'm more worried about that than a little old lady and her family.

Lol . Nitpicking is what we do here .

So you ARE an apologist for the royals. Are you sure you don't take any interest in them ?

I admit I used to be a republican for many, many years. Then I began to see Liz as a person rather than an institution and quite liked her. I've always been an admirer of Anne because she is so unroyal and does a lot of work for charities and sport. Plus refused titles for her kids.

While a creature like Boris Johnson can be elected PM I prefer a monarch as head of state.

What do you like about Elizabeth?
Her defence of her son accused of sexual assault?
Her lobbying so that the Royal Family are exempt from many laws?

The problem is you aren't comparing like with like @PurpleWisteria .
Boris is the worst example you can think of - but he can and will , be voted out .

Liz is the best example you can think of but it's Charles and William next and Christ on a bike -
that will be a shit show . Both have lots of unanswered questions surrounding them .

Personally I can't think of one altruistic thing Liz has done . She has cultivated the 'say nothing' persona - useful when you don't have much of interest to say .
People can project whatever they want her to be on to that bland exterior - just as you have done . 'Little old lady ' indeed .

Paying off her vile son's accuser - that won't be forgotten when her reign is viewed in retrospect .
I suspect there is a great deal of holding back going on due to the queen's age and a lot of turmoil to come

The only reason all these foundations and charities exist is the inability and unwillingness of the government to raise enough in taxes to fund a welfare net that is fit for purpose, or fund medical research.

Let's see an end to tax dodging and far higher taxes for these people who seem to have millions to spare.