Revenge - by Tom Bower

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As the other thread has filled up I wondered if anyone would like to discuss the book here. I’m listening to it on Audible now.

My point is he just thought he was entitled to certain things as a right. The concept of earning things doesn’t occur to him.

Hardly his fault he was born into the RF. That's the way they operate....privileged, entitled, cosseted and archaic.

'He needs to get a grip and stop playing hard done by'

I don't think he able to. Its like his USP is hard done by, unfairly treated by the nasty uk media (not the US media obvs who print equally the same gossipy crap) and generally all round victim. Poor H, supposed to be living his best life. Not sure if he's convinced himself let alone anyone else.

Didn't they have someone squatting on Sussex Royal. They would get in quick with trademarking anything to do with them for sure.

I'm obviously not up to date, has he been asking for money?
He spoke about the financials at the OW interview 18 months ago, but has something happened since?

To be honest Katherine your post is really distasteful.
I don't suppose you have lost a close family member in a car accident.
I have.
And for you to talk like this about his Mother who died so tragically is vile.
Maybe you ought to get your own post removed.

No it isn't vile. I fully appreciate what he lived through, but he's made it his modus operandi to talk and talk and talk about it. William went through the same thing and he deals with it privately, doesn't give paid speeches about it.

Everything the two of them do is for money.

William went through the same thing and he deals with it privately, doesn't give paid speeches about it

Quite

Nobody denies the dreadful trauma which both boys went through, just as nobody denies that talking about it's a good thing, but not every single blasted thing has to be carried on about in public

'No it isn't vile. I fully appreciate what he lived through, but he's made it his modus operandi to talk and talk and talk about it. William went through the same thing and he deals with it privately, doesn't give paid speeches about it.'

Exactly.

To be open and honest with you Katharine here is my report above.

I see William visited Dame Deborah and spoke to her children about losing your mother in the public eye. It’s hard for them. I hope their father is able to shield them.

Sorry about your db rousette but I don't think is fair or appropriate to post a report.

I understand we can all project when situations similar to our own are discussed. It is triggering and upsetting but this isn't about us. H uses his tragic dms for speeches, that is equally upsetting for people who have lost relatives.

Yes, well.... you would say that wouldn't you...

It doesn't matter who it is, I would have sympathy for anyone who lost a close member of family in a tragedy.

That's all I have to say on it.

@JaniieJones

I'm sorry. I misread your post. I understand what you mean about posting a report. Sorry for the post.

It's fine roussette

Sorry about your db @Roussette . You are correct, It was a particularly vile post.💐
William has also had plenty of time to compare and talk about his mother. Can't blame any of them. Harry talked about her in particular during MH month and drew parallels to what was happening in his own life. He was not paid for it.

why should H deal with it teh same as W?
just because they are siblings does not mean they have a hive mind.
I know My db and I have dealt with our loss very differently as it affected us differently, maybe because I was younger.

Thanks notanotheroneagain.
The thing is... it never leaves you.
And it won't Harry.
Nor William.
William is more constrained (understandable, given his position) about what he can and can't say.
Harry isn't so constrained.
If either of them want to talk about it, they can, as far as I'm concerned.

And as samcro says... different people handle loss in different ways.

Yes that was a really lovely thing to have done. Actions sometimes speak louder than words.

Lost my Mam when I was 13.

I'm sorry to hear that @Mrsorganmorgan . It's an awful thing to happen to anyone.

How awful for you, what a tender age to lose a Mum

Hope you are keeping well @Mrsorganmorgan 💐

Just wanted to do a quick review of the book, half way through it. Was in between about reading it, I think Tom Bower is quite the royalist and hence I don't feel he's completely neutral and certainly has an agenda. I also don't like books that are deliberate take downs. The Royals interest me from a PR, spin point of view. To be fair his sources are backed up, how credible, who knows. So yet again this book is another one to read with caution. I will say that I fall on the side of finding Meghan quite disingenuous even prior to reading this book.

On what I read, these are the few observations I have:

• There is consistency in the sources to be fair, they paint a picture of Meghan having a split personality, very kind, compassionate, caring to those that would help her in life versus a jealous, nasty, passive aggressive, social climber to those who were no use to her.
• The book suggests the negative side of Meghan got worse once she hit the Toronto social scene and continued to get worse and worse the higher in society she climbed.
• You can't fault Meghan's drive or work ethic, very admirable, a lot more admirable than Kate's lack of career.
• There is a continuous backed up theme of a rewriting of her history all through her life, it paints Meghan as disingenuous, a bit of a fantasist.
• The whole Tom Markle situation is very he said she said, very difficult to know who caused the main fall out.
• The one part of the book that appears credible to me is her upbringing, I feel quite sorry for Tom Markle given the narrative that was spun about Meghan having no family, having to drag herself up, it appears that is not true, far from it, in fact it's suggested he put her on such a pedestal that it caused her to have unrealistic self importance which helped her get to the point of meeting Harry.
• I don't believe for a second the narrative that Meghan caused Harry to turn against his family, he was ready for turning for a long time.
• Meghan operating in the Royal Family happily was never going to happen, I blame Harry for that, it is so apparent from her background and the way the Royal Family operates that she was never going to fit in, a disaster before it began. Both M&H were foolish there.
• From reading about Meghan and knowing a bit about Harry, I'm not sure this is a love match but two people getting something from the other for their own unhealthy reasons. Sadly I don't believe their marriage will last.

There's so much written about M&H, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, I don't see how anyone could be fully supportive nor fully believe every bit of gossip.