£102 million of taxpayers money

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Spent on the Royals last year.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/record-100m-taxpayer-payout-royal-27360820.amp

I think we should be able to choose if our £1.29 goes to the royals or to the NHS.

Or just a simple opt out option.

I'm not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination, but the misinformation about "taxpayer money" really irks me. The royals are supported by the sovereign grant, which is generally 15% of the annual income from the Crown Estate. These are properties owned by the Crown that generate income. The remaining 85% of profits goes to the treasury. Currently the sovereign grant has been increased to 25% to cover the additional cost of restoring Buckingham Palace.

This is not taxpayer money. You did not pay into that pot. I did not pay into that pot. The Crown Estates pay more into the treasury than they take out.

This. And I would rather spend £1.29 on the Queen than pour even more money into the NHS for them to waste.

@PaperDoves
Completely agree. It’s not tax payer funds at all. In fact the RF is a net contributor to the U.K. Treasury.

So the taxpayer is around £100 billion up

Because the surrendered revenue from the crown estates is about that much more than is taken back.

I wouldn't want to see a return to the days when the crown just kept the revenues.

So the treasury gets roughly 2/3 of Crown Estate income they would not have had otherwise.

Nothing has come out of anyones pockets, as it was money that wouldn’t be there in the first place!

These are properties owned by the Crown that generate income.

How did the Crown acquire so much?

312.7 million profit Crown Estates website.

If anyone fancies reading the report (which isn’t that big), they will also see that it actually £43.4 million higher than last year.

Well, that's much better than giving it to the NHS, where it would be completely wasted - like pouring water into a bucket with a whole in the bottom!

The cost of living crisis and coming out of a pandemic means spending has increased across the board since last year. Not just for the royal family, but all families/enterprises. Inflation is at its highest for decades.

The increase also includes the funds allocated for the (expensive) refurbishment of Buckingham Palace, which is like the refurbishment of the Houses of Parliament - if we want to keep a historic national building, it has to be funded somehow (you personally might not want it to be refurbished, but it’s not your decision).

Being the machinery supporting the hereditary head of state for 98% of the 956 years since 1066 helps a lot with that.

You do know the Crown Estate also looks after all the beaches around the UK , and that Parliament and loads of Government Buildings in London are RENT FREE , so the Crown Estates pay for the Entire MP salaries as was the Agreement . This would cost Billions to cover.
Plus the amount of people who spent money in London this month because of the Jubilee, so really the Royals PAY for themselves.
However the Newspapers love to say it comes out of your pocket to encourage people to be unhappy. Would you really want KING BORIS?

You missed the generational hard work over the decades.

Their ancestors were slaving away on plantations, sweating, digging up mines underground, covered in soot.
Yep collected a lot of money during that time they were working as servants and field hands and so on.

@PaperDoves

Well if you aren’t a royalist perhaps you could join enlightened republicans paperdoves. You’ve been fed so much royal propaganda and you are repeating it without question .
Fact: the queen doesn’t own the crown estate, that was handed over centuries ago in a deal with parliament .
As for the remaining 85 % for which we should be so grateful ( bow ,scrape , curtesy) it used to be 100 %paid to the state. A previous Tory government changed that arrangement in the monarchy’s favour .
Some one upthread said the Buckingham palace refurbishment was ‘expensive’.
369 MILLION is the figure. So far.

People who remain in support of the monarchy after Andrew, bags of cash, money for influence etc etc need to educate themselves

The Crown Estates are supposedly publicly owned. It is why Charles and the Queen avoid much tax or inheritance tax on them. So all the money should come to public coffers.

They paid out £32k of taxpayers money for the Royal Families transport to a film premiere. Was that also good value for money?

@Bollindger Would you prefer King Andrew?

I haven't been fed any propaganda, I just have the ability to Google. This is all public, easily accessible knowledge.

Prior to 1760, the sovereign funded the government. George III said "hey, I'll give you all the profits from these particular estates and you can use them to fund the government instead of me doing it directly, and in exchange I'll keep an annual allowance". That was called the Civil List. This remained unchanged until 2012, when they changed it to a slightly easier system called the Sovereign Grant. At no point did 100% of the profits go to the Treasury, and the government can't just up and decide to break the agreement or they'll get nothing at all, because it's not their money.

The sovereign owns the estates. "Sovereign" here is a separate legal entity from any particular King or Queen, but regardless, the Crown Estate is not publicly owned, is not owned by the government, is not owned by anyone other than the sovereign.

You cannot legally claim that the land is owned by the queen

Is the queen not the sovereign? I get that it's hard to understand, because being a monarch is a bit weird. You've got the sovereign lowercase, who is a private person, and then the Sovereign uppercase, the legal entity, which is whoever is sovereign at that time and exists like a hat that the sovereign lowercase wears. But the current sovereign lowercase is still very much the Sovereign uppercase, and whoever that is owns the %#$@! Crown Estate.

Are British children not taught this in schools? It seems like basic knowledge people should know about their country.

I understand the difference between an individual and a corporation .
No doubt that's why the royals call themselves ' the firm' . Such japes !
While inflation eats away at the rest of us , the royals have ensured that their income is NEVER ALLOWED TO GO DOWN

Some reading for you

https://www.republic.org.uk/thetrueecostoffthe_royals

There is so much information in that article. The Crown Estate properties are not publicly owned, for one.

Meanwhile, income from the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall – despite belonging to the nation - goes directly to the Queen and Prince Charles respectively, depriving the treasury of tens of millions of pounds every year.

No... those are privately owned (privately, not even part of the Crown Estate) by the Queen and heir to the throne.

I didn't know that until just now (cause I googled). But yeah, I can see how if you believed all that unquestioningly I suppose it would be very upsetting.

So much misinformation in that article, jeez.

I think it’s a bargain.

@PaperDoves , it was obvious you googled it .
Nothing wrong with that but have you really only started questioning all this now ?

The point is the 'ownership' of the land is obsfuscated , 'royal' tax arrangements are obsfuscated etc.
And that suits the 'royals' just fine .

Time for the whole smoke and mirrors to go .