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The royal family

Andrew returning to public life

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antelopevalley · 12/06/2022 19:10

"Prince Andrew — who recently paid a multimillion-pound settlement to Virginia Giuffre to keep her allegations of sexual abuse, which he denies, out of court — is set to make a controversial return to public life on Monday.

As a member of the Order of the Garter, this country’s oldest and most senior order of chivalry, Andrew, 62, will appear alongside senior members of the royal family at the Garter Day service at Windsor Castle."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/palace-to-support-andrew-in-rebuilding-his-life-as-poison-prince-makes-surprise-return-to-public-duty-r6jskx9b3

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Raspberryjam22 · 18/06/2022 16:11

You clearly didn’t understand what I meant so I will explain .
There have been many posters who have indicated that W had an affair with Rose somebody. No evidence but hey Ho . Also discussion today about injunctions.
All I am saying is that IF there is any truth , H might well include it in his memoirs . He and M SEEM to have a huge problem with W and C .
As I said it is a rumoured advance of millions so the publishers will want their pound of flesh .
Like everyone else ( including you @Roussette ) I don’t know the truth however given the content of the OW car crash interview , I wouldn’t dismiss anything .

Lolliesareonme · 18/06/2022 16:12

I do find it distasteful on a site like Mumsnet that people are trying to push the narrative about PW affair. Where is the evidence - a theory (aka agenda) by someone called Nicole Cliffe. Have you ever heard or her? Probably not because she is just a random on the internet, that’s why - here is her statement on it.

There is no evidence of anything. Think for a moment about what it would feel like reading that about your spouse. What about Rose, and her husband?

I think people forget that in their love for the thought of a bit of scandal or agenda are bringing another woman into the equation too.

Prince Harry in a pic at polo with His friends wife - dismissed, as it should be.

Prince William, internet rumour - no evidence whatsoever - different standards.

Raspberryjam22 · 18/06/2022 16:13

@Lolliesareonme

Exactly .

Roussette · 18/06/2022 16:18

I clearly understand perfectly raspberry

Assumptions, rumours and hoping for the worst sums it up.

I have no idea about an affair and to be frank, I don't care. You have no idea either but obviously do care
I have no idea about the content of any book that might come out. Nor do you. And speculating whilst using a rumour about William to have a poke at Harry is pretty distasteful

See? I do understand don't I...

Roussette · 18/06/2022 16:19

Raspberryjam22 · 18/06/2022 16:13

@Lolliesareonme

Exactly .

Yet you're feeding the rumour!!

Daisyroseandhyacinth · 18/06/2022 16:38

Pemba · 18/06/2022 13:22

People keep saying 'The Crown is not a documentary' but the thing is I was around when Charles and Diana married etc and I remember hearing years ago about a lot of the stuff that is covered in the series. About how she was treated, her bulimia etc. I also read the book Diana did with Andrew Morton. I've also heard and read a lot of stuff about other royals, Princess Margaret for example,her failed relationships, her unhappiness, the awful entitled way she behaved towards ordinary people.

My point is that the writers of The Crown have done their research, they are not in general just making up random stuff for the sake of an exciting drama, as some people would want you to believe.

Yes I remember many things that are in the series which are factual. It’s based as closely on what happened as possible. Obviously no one was there to hear personal conversations, but in general they keep to the facts.

antelopevalley · 18/06/2022 17:13

Prince Harry was in a photo with a woman at a polo match whose husband was also there playing in the polo match. It was ridiculous to suggest anything based on that.

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Lolliesareonme · 18/06/2022 17:27

Of course it was - and that’s based on a single picture.

A random 2 couple of people start a rumour about PW, and lots of people want are happy to go with it.

Lolliesareonme · 18/06/2022 17:32

I should retype.

A couple of people start a rumour about PW - with no evidence whatsoever, and lots of people are happy to go with it!

Roussette · 18/06/2022 18:02

Lolliesareonme · 18/06/2022 17:32

I should retype.

A couple of people start a rumour about PW - with no evidence whatsoever, and lots of people are happy to go with it!

I'm not

queenofarles · 18/06/2022 18:10

Nicole Cliffe proclaimed her self as a mega Sussex fan, so there.
some believe that William and kate pushed Harry and Megan away , they really , really want the affair to be true as payback.
I have no idea if the affair is true or not , all we’ve heard is Kate wanting to phase out her neighbour , but we don’t know why, ? maybe R thought Amner Hall looked very twee and John Lewisy in comparison to their stately home with its priceless works of Art and degournay clad walls. it could any number of reasons 🤷🏼‍♀️
but Really why would R even consider having an affair with W? , She has a fabulous life , her DH ,although is much older , seems far more interesting than W.
I’d certainly choose her life than Kate’s.

ChairPose9to5 · 18/06/2022 18:23

Isn't it a lavender marriage? Again, God knows. People who'd socialise in these circles would know. But I read that. I didn't think ''oh well it must be true''' I thought ''I wonder if that's true''.

queenofarles · 18/06/2022 18:58

I have no idea!, ChairPose

JemimaPuddlegoose · 18/06/2022 22:58

Nicole Cliffe didn't start the rumour, though, that's something Cambridge stans invented and have been pushing. The rumour predated her tweets by many months and was going around UK media and aristo circles for a long time before it ever got online.

Tom Sykes (great-grandson of a Baronet and from a well-connected and royal connected family) stated in print that he'd heard the story from three separate people who he considered reliable sources and that he'd first heard the rumour during a dinner with a woman he knew who was the daughter of an Earl. Of course that does not mean the rumour is true, but let's not act like it came about from Sussex fans tweeting.

Rose Hanbury's brother did not help matters by telling the press that Will came over by himself to have dinner with Rose just the two of them when her husband was away; he made a point of saying that their private dinners were completely innocent but it was just a stupid idea for him to shoot his mouth off and create more smoke where there may or may not be fire.

PoseyFlump · 18/06/2022 23:07

ChairPose9to5 · 18/06/2022 18:23

Isn't it a lavender marriage? Again, God knows. People who'd socialise in these circles would know. But I read that. I didn't think ''oh well it must be true''' I thought ''I wonder if that's true''.

Never heard of a lavender marriage so looked it up. If I've understood correctly that would be implying the husband is gay? That's a new one in regards to PW, never even heard that suggested.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/06/2022 23:28

PoseyFlump I think it's Rose Hanbury where it's been suggested she's in a "lavender marriage", not William
Like everyone else I've no idea how true that is though

Lolliesareonme · 19/06/2022 05:13

@JemimaPuddlegoose

A quick google brings up journalist Tom Sykes - author of “What Did I Do Last Night? A Drunkards Tale.

Self confessed alcoholic and drug addict, so probably not the most reliable source to be believing.

ChairPose9to5 · 19/06/2022 07:27

@Puzzledandpissedoff that's right, that's what I read once somewhere. That Rose H'anbury's H is gay. He's a lot older than her and needed an heir, and his huge house, well, she feels at home with it all. Again, wouldn't bet an awful lot more than my bus fare in to town and back on it though. Don't care either way.

ChairPose9to5 · 19/06/2022 07:30

Tom Sykes hasn't drunk for DECADES, he's pootling around farmers' markets with his kids now. Was he the one who started the rumour?

ChairPose9to5 · 19/06/2022 07:39

also, lol at the ^daughter of an Earl' was the one who told me. Well Then.

Daughters of Earls aren't like middle class peasants, they always ask themselves, is this true?, is this kind?, is it helpful?, is it necessary?. Or is it maybe, a bit of gossip circulating that really juicy. The look on Tom's face when I told him, priceless.

And Earl's Daughter or not, one loves to sit around a table passing on gossip.

NOT judging. Just saying, there isn't a different set of rules for human nature for Daughters of Earls.

Daisyroseandhyacinth · 19/06/2022 08:13

It may be that W went round for dinner with Rose when her husband was away. That doesn’t mean he’s having an affair with her. Friends do that sort of thing. Some people can’t bear to see a happy marriage and feel the need to tear it down and cast insinuations.

Cloudysunday · 19/06/2022 08:54

What’s all this speculation about William got to do with Andrew ‘s return to public life ? Hint - nothing , just another chance for some posters to have a dig at the Cambridges.

LaMarschallin · 19/06/2022 09:08

Tom Sykes (great-grandson of a Baronet and from a well-connected and royal connected family) stated in print that he'd heard the story from three separate people who he considered reliable sources and that he'd first heard the rumour during a dinner with a woman he knew who was the daughter of an Earl

Well, sort of.

He wrote in the Daily Beast that a gossip magazine in the US had reported on the story and wrote a speculative article peppered with "The palace denies" and such statements.
Over a year later, he wrote an article setting out his "qualifications" to write on royal and social matters for the Daily Beast setting out his family's royal connections which seemed to have waned over the generations. Tom Sykes' main connection seemed, from the article, to be that he missed being at Eton with William by a year.
In that article, he said he'd heard the rumour from "the daughter of an earl" at a dinner party rather than he'd read it in a gossip magazine. It's certainly a better story and more likely to impress his readers.

I've read - and enjoyed - "What Did I Do Last Night?" in which he plays down his family's "grandness".
He also amusingly plays up his willingness to do anything for a story.

I'm inclined to take his picking up the story solely from the D. of an E. with a pinch of salt.
I suspect it was initially because of the US magazine and he may or not have gossiped about it with his friends.

Despite that, I think it's unfair to say that a recovered addict can't be a reliable source.
I do think, however, that a gossip columnist will present things in the most titillating way.

LaMarschallin · 19/06/2022 09:19

Cloudysunday · 19/06/2022 08:54

What’s all this speculation about William got to do with Andrew ‘s return to public life ? Hint - nothing , just another chance for some posters to have a dig at the Cambridges.

True (and there's me perpetuating it Blush).
It was only recently that it was pointed out that it was weird that a thread about A had become all about Harry.
I'm not sure how this all got dragged up again; is it just that there's nothing to argue about with Andrew? I can't think anyone here wants him back in public life.

Ohnonevermind · 19/06/2022 09:23

I believe that everyone (especially PC/PW) is encouraging TQ to keep Andrew out of sight. Perhaps he could argue innocence as he’s never been convicted of a crime but i think Victoria Guiffre’s book is probably the final nail in his coffin.

I think once they (PW/PC) put up a united front, its hard for him to fight it. That is probably a compelling reason to be closer in Windsor too.

There is all this royal protocol (which I don’t understand) but as a result could he have the ‘right” to be there at certain ceremonies unless she sticks him in the tower.

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