Andrew returning to public life

[antelopevalley]

"Prince Andrew — who recently paid a multimillion-pound settlement to Virginia Giuffre to keep her allegations of sexual abuse, which he denies, out of court — is set to make a controversial return to public life on Monday.

As a member of the Order of the Garter, this country’s oldest and most senior order of chivalry, Andrew, 62, will appear alongside senior members of the royal family at the Garter Day service at Windsor Castle."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/palace-to-support-andrew-in-rebuilding-his-life-as-poison-prince-makes-surprise-return-to-public-duty-r6jskx9b3

What prostitutes?

Hope you don't mean the Epstein trafficked girls which has been proven, hence the Maxwell conviction (sentencing due 28th June)
They were not 'prostitutes'. Some were as young as 12... and yes I have links for that.

i have never heard of him using prostitutes only trafficked women/girls.

I thought the divorce was precipitated by Fergie feeling lonely in the first years of her marriage and especially during her pregnancy with Beatrice (she is the elder, isn't she? I'm not sure why I find it so hard to tell those two apart), then being photographed having her toes sucked by another man. Obviously that was all over a number of years and they went on to have Eugenie so A being away most of the first pregnancy didn't finish the marriage by itself.
I didn't think there was anything mentioned back then about Andrew being unfaithful.

Mind you, it was a long time ago; I've doubtless forgotten a lot.
Didn't listen to the interview - maybe that would have refreshed my memory?

It's all about the money with those two. Even that Epstein stuff. Andrew was the bait for bigger fish. Was he willingly used as bait for money? You decide.

Yes by Epstein. Kudos to have a royal on board. And PA has always been taken in by rich people, hence his associations with despots and oligarchs

Was he willingly used as bait for money? You decide.

I guess we'll never know.
I certainly believe that he's smug and big-headed enough to believe people wanted to be friends with him for himself: his wit and company. His status is obviously very important to him too, so he would also see it as quite natural that others would want to be in his company because of "the blood royal", I think.
I also think that, because of the above and the "Randy Andy" handsome prince schtick about him in his youth, he's convinced himself that people would be glad to sleep with him and would consider that reward in itself.
I don't think he'd give any thought to why all these girls were there or to whether they were under duress.

So many "thinks"!
Obviously, that was all said wearing my "Junior Dr Freud Outfit; comes with real plastic cigar" get up.

Spot on LaM !

Thank you

It might be worth me saving up for the accompanying "Leather look couch" for my outfit...

The major issue for me is that I strongly suspect the only reason they are keeping him out of the public eye is due to public opinion not because they think he has done anything wrong.

None of them has one shred of decency or integrity including the Queen, I don’t understand the National idolisation. Yes, she’s an elderly woman, who has had access to the best healthcare, food, her working life hasn’t been physically arduous and she’s had a coterie of staff to look after everyday life, am sure most of us would live to her age given these circumstances.

I can't remember the name of the documentary but it was about Epstein and how he had this property in the US that was so remote you had to be flown in.

It struck me that anyone visiting that place must have known you wouldn't be able to leave easily and how dodgy it was and I'm pretty sure PA was a visitor. I think he knew exactly what he was getting himself into and was paid handsomely.

Was there also another scandal involving Fergie getting paid to give people access to Andrew or have I made that up?!

No, you didn't imagine it, PoseyFlump:

Ahha thanks @Puzzledandpissedoff and are we supposed to believe PA had nothing to do with this?!

Why were he and S and their daughters photographed on a Bahamas island with another convicted paedo and sex obsessive? They do say you can tell a man's character by the company he keeps...

Or is it just a terrible misunderstanding and unfortunate coincidence for the man of honour and his honourable brother? JS, JE, PN and PB... Surely every family has that many hardcore sex offenders among its acquaintances.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/15/fashion-executive-accused-in-lawsuit-reportedly-hosted-prince-andrew-at-bahamas-estate

Posey. Andrew visited LittleStJ many a time on the Lolita Express, Epstein's private jet. Did it not occur to him it was a little odd that there were lots of very young girls on it?
He knew EXACTLY what he was doing, there's testimony he was frolicking in the pool with a young girl there

And JE paid off Fergie's debts

are we supposed to believe PA had nothing to do with this?!

I'm pretty sure it was claimed at the time that Andrew knew nothing about Fergie selling access to him - and of course if he said it it must be true mustn't it?

Yes @FoiledByTheInsect how many coincidences does it take before it's no longer a coincidence?!

@Roussette don't the royals have bodyguards with them on these trips and surely advisors to say 'probably best not to go to some secluded weird property in the middle of a desert'? Zorro I think it was called!

AHH yes the Ranch. That was different to the island
Yes he had Met police protection with him but they just did what they were told by him
I believe in NY he was offered Consulate accommodation and PPOs suggested this, but no, he stayed at the seedy mansion with life size human chessboard pieces and massage rooms

Was there also another scandal involving Fergie getting paid to give people access to Andrew or have I made that up?!

Isn't Charles another one who is happy to sell access, to himself in this case, to the highest bidder?

Well! They can try and pull the wool over their families eyes but us ordinary folk with common sense are not buying it! I mean, someone tried to kidnap Princess Anne, you'd never put yourself in a position of kidnap risk as a royal unless you were up to no good.

FoiledByTheInsect

Why were he and S and their daughters photographed on a Bahamas island with another convicted paedo and sex obsessive? They do say you can tell a man's character by the company he keeps...

Or is it just a terrible misunderstanding and unfortunate coincidence for the man of honour and his honourable brother? JS, JE, PN and PB... Surely every family has that many hardcore sex offenders among its acquaintances.

You've quoted me so I presume you're, at least in part, addressing the question to me.
And my answer is that I don't know.
I'm not trying to be an apologist for Andrew; I said it was my opinion that he'd consider his presence such a treat for people that he wouldn't think he was only being used as "bait".
He'd also probably think he's too clever to be used, anyway.

Just because I don't get very heated about this on an anonymous message board , or use words like "paedo" or "nonce", doesn't mean I think he hasn't behaved horribly; he obviously has.
I just don't know how much is due to his stupidity or whether he knew exactly what was going on and then knowingly participated or closed his eyes to a lot of things.
My suspicion is that all of those factors were in play to some degree or other.

Yes it can be difficult to figure out who is being groomed and who is the groomer. One thing is for certain that the people at the top of these organisations (the ones we're told don't exist and are just conspiracies ) know exactly how to get shit on people or recognise their Achilles heel to use them for their own advantage. Just look at Savill with his own keys to Broadmoor.

LaM I agree. I don't call PA a nonce or a paedo because he hasn't been convicted of being one. I would rather focus on the rest of his revolting behaviour. I suppose if I had to label him it would be... an entitled stupid wooed by money user who thinks any rules of society don't apply to him because he's special and feels he can take what he wants from this world and there is no comeuppance for him.
That didn't work so well for him did it...
He will forever be pilloried and to be honest, I base this on his past behaviour, not just JE/VG. He has bent the rules all his life, backhanders, schmoozing the rich and famous, freebies, and he has used his privileged position in the very worst possible way. He is repugnant and a lot of the blame, I hate to say, lies at the door of HMQ and the rest of them. He is a stain on the monarchy

Phew, that's better, rant over!

Roussette

Phew, that's better, rant over!

Go on - I've seen rantier rants than that

And that's very much the way I feel about it.
In the circumstances he was brought up in and lived in, it would tempt and affect the strongest, best character; he seems pretty much the opposite of strong and best (pace Fergie and her plaudits) and completely lacking in insight which, for him, may be the most dangerous thing of all.

Roussette · Today 12:19
LaM I agree. I don't call PA a nonce or a paedo because he hasn't been convicted of being one. I would rather focus on the rest of his revolting behaviour. I suppose if I had to label him it would be... an entitled stupid wooed by money user who thinks any rules of society don't apply to him because he's special and feels he can take what he wants from this world and there is no comeuppance for him.
That didn't work so well for him did it...
He will forever be pilloried and to be honest, I base this on his past behaviour, not just JE/VG. He has bent the rules all his life, backhanders, schmoozing the rich and famous, freebies, and he has used his privileged position in the very worst possible way. He is repugnant and a lot of the blame, I hate to say, lies at the door of HMQ and the rest of them. He is a stain on the monarchy

Phew, that's better, rant over!

I don’t think anyone would disagree with you .