Andrew returning to public life

[antelopevalley]

"Prince Andrew — who recently paid a multimillion-pound settlement to Virginia Giuffre to keep her allegations of sexual abuse, which he denies, out of court — is set to make a controversial return to public life on Monday.

As a member of the Order of the Garter, this country’s oldest and most senior order of chivalry, Andrew, 62, will appear alongside senior members of the royal family at the Garter Day service at Windsor Castle."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/palace-to-support-andrew-in-rebuilding-his-life-as-poison-prince-makes-surprise-return-to-public-duty-r6jskx9b3

I have no idea what you're on about. I know males (shock horror) that I've known for more than 45 years. Two of whom married my two best friends, both over 40 years ago. . We are friends, we are tactile together, their wives are best friends of mine, no-one gives a fuck. I don't 'drape myself' over them, but we are happy to show affection. You are sounding exceedingly uptight. Weird.

I'll repeat again. William is heir to the heir to the throne. Harry isn't. Not sure why you don't get that?

well technically Harry is also in line to the throne, he’s just several places behind William. That wasn’t affected by him ceasing to be a working royal.

@FoiledByTheInsect gah! You don’t want to be employing critical thinking skills when it comes to the Royals! If her subjects thought critically about her lavish lifestyle and her family of fuck ups and questioned the legitimacy of it all she’d be done for!

Best know your place . . .

Supporting himself doing what? This Better Up role doesn’t seem to be much of a job if he can depend as much time as that playing Polo!

Spend!

So Harry isn't allowed to spend time on his hobby now? He's played a few matches, he likes polo, that's it really. Don't worry about how he supports himself, you aren't paying for him so why the angst?!.

Good job you're not married to my DH with his all consuming hobbies!

weird a thread about odious PA turns into one about PH.

It's interesting how these things evolve, isn't it?
It seemed to go from criticism of Andrew to criticism of the queen and the RF in general.
Then K&W's new house was mentioned, so they were brought in specifically.
Apparently, covering up affairs was mentioned (not sure I read that post, but assume it was due to the talk about W&K), which led to the picture of Harry being discussed latterly.

Perhaps now it's been shown that the picture wasn't very interesting, the discussion will return to Andrew.
I'm not risking a bet on it though

Samcro · Today 07:46
“weird a thread about odious PA turns into one about PH.”

Up to a point I agree however I have seen countless threads where H and M ‘s behaviour is being criticised and someone always jumps in and says “ yes but what about Andrew ?”

that happens and there are shouts of go start your own thread if you want to talk about him.
there is no comparison between any thing H has done to what A has done.

Not so weird. H and M made themselves very unlikeable to many people, so it's not that surprising that conversation will turn naturally to them when other unlikeable RF members are discussed.

People also think what H and M could have had when they see the high life that RF has to offer to married-ins who get the gig such as Edo. A, H and M have been removed from the top table (literally, in the case of the latter two, where they could only interact with the kids at the Jubilee) so will always be lumped together in discussions of other disgraced members because of the spectacularly public way in which punishment is meted out in these circles.

Sarah will never be a working royal! Somebody upthread said that B,E and then S will be drafted in as working royals. That made me laugh. B&E will not be put on the payroll, not if Charles and William have any say, they are just too close to A. it's not their fault but B&E are a reminder of the EXISTENCE of Andrew and even that's not good for the brand.

It's interesting how these things evolve, isn't it?
It seemed to go from criticism of Andrew to criticism of the queen and the RF in general

Not sure that's surprising really, when we consider that the framework in which they're all brought up has so much to do with their behaviour

I've only just got back from holiday so wasn't posting much, but I did have to smile about W&K's "cottage" with "only four bedrooms" and the stellar double standards over images of W and H
Give me a break ...

Oh yes, and Sarah crawling back with her insistence about what a wonderful guy Andrew is
I was wondering when that would happen, but is there anything that woman wouldn't do to keep her money rolling in?

that happens and there are shouts of go start your own thread if you want to talk about him.
there is no comparison between any thing H has done to what A has done.

Tbf, I don't think there's any comparison between what the immediate members of the present RF have done and what Andrew did.
However, it's difficult to talk about him in isolation, so the idea that the queen protects him will be talked about, as will the enormous privilege the RF has which obviously has benefited Andrew during this.
W&K's new house was mentioned as a specific example of privilege and, from that, the idea of any cheating being hushed up was another example of the benefits of being royal.
From that the mention of a picture Harry cropped up which, afaic, was the first mention of Harry and or Meghan (apart from a jokey reference very early on).

Puzzledandpissedoff

It's interesting how these things evolve, isn't it?
It seemed to go from criticism of Andrew to criticism of the queen and the RF in general

Not sure that's surprising really, when we consider that the framework in which they're all brought up has so much to do with their behaviour

Crossposted - l'm a very slow typist.

No, as I think I've now said, the framework around them obviously contributes.

That's why I used the word "interesting" rather than "surprising".

H and M made themselves very unlikeable to many people, so it's not that surprising that conversation will turn naturally to them when other unlikeable RF members are discussed but only on mumsnet and other nonce apologism forums.

PA apart from being unlikeable is an unconvicted sex offender, a bankrupt (no funds to pay his debts) and wastrel.

Putting H&M on the same level as PA and dragging them into every single RF discussion because the UK's racists will never accept M is just vile. The way some people carry on you'd think she or Harry were the arms dealers and nonces and PA was just a bit irritatingly fond of media attention, rather than the other way round. The only actual mistake M has made is to not detach completely from her toxic in-laws and the Sussex saga and get on with her life in the USA away from the creepy weirdos in BuckPal.

@FoiledByTheInsect

M ( and H) could easily detach themselves from the RF if they drop their titles , stop the provocative interviews and get in with living their lives away from the public glare .

as I think I've now said, the framework around them obviously contributes
That's why I used the word "interesting" rather than "surprising"

Very much with you on that, LaMarschallin ... there's a lot about this which is "interesting", and that's just one more

We all agree PA is by far the worst. He hasn't dropped his titles. Why should they?
Nor his ex wife who has traded off her title for over two decades. Titles can't be dropped just like that. If Sarah who is divorced from the worst member of the RF liberally uses her title for anything from "Dieting with the Duchess" to "Dining with the Duchess" to a Mills & Boon type book, why shouldn't they?
Good on them, carry on.

Even if they did, you'd just find another goalpost to move.

In no way am I defending the despicable Andrew and his ex however neither of them have ever said they don’t want to be part of the RF( not that S is a member) Quite the opposite.
H and M have been openly critical so why not cut ties ?

S needs the money, that's why. She was critical enough of the 'institution' in one of her many books

Yes I know, as I said it was their mistake not to. But even if they're clinging on for the publicity, that's just boring and annoying, rather than disgusting and immoral like PA who is the actual subject of this thread.

Time they all fked off, but PA needs to f* off a lot, lot further than H&M.

there is no comparison between any thing H has done to what A has done

Except, you are looking at this from the perspective of an ordinary, sensible member of society, Samcro. The general public will have a ranked ordering of acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. It goes something like this:

1 Murder
2 Sex crime
3 GBH
4 Drugs
[...]
23 Tax evasion
24 Financial crime
25 Movement of wealth

Surely we can all see that this reverses the higher up the royal, political, religious or other prominent societal system you go. Haven't the royals let it be publicly known that, as a family, they don't think that Andrew has done anything bad? People clinging to the racism explanation for H & M are missing the point (H & M themselves clearly prioritise wealth over racism given their return. They could have made a stand). It's not the explanation for what happened. They threatened the house of cards, which is built on preserving wealth. It's unpalatable to us, but there it is.

Why would they even want to be working royals ? They have jobs. Jobs which seem to allow them endless time off though. Like Harry.