Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The royal family

Who advised the Queen to walk into the Abbey escorted by Andrew??

996 replies

TinyTortoise · 29/03/2022 13:07

This seems to be the most tone deaf and damaging decision. It's a public facing event with international leaders and royals. If it was a closed family gathering I could understand it - he is her son still- but why on earth would they allow him to escort her to her seat?! He should be invisible from now on and never represent the RF again. He could have attended and stood somewhere out of the way. She could have chosen anyone to escort her. It's staggeringly awful!

OP posts:
Swayingpalmtrees · 31/03/2022 12:57

Thanks up supremely kind of you!

Roussette · 31/03/2022 12:59

This is worth using.

www.writetothem.com/

It does follow ups to check and see if you've had a reply

TatianaBis · 31/03/2022 13:01

[quote Myee]A piece about the Sunningdale/South York house.

www.theguardian.com/money/2009/mar/01/sunninghill-park-prince-andrew[/quote]
See also from the Sunday Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kazakh-tycoons-secret-deal-on-prince-andrews-house-bsm5dbr6ch2

Sunninghill Park is a sorry shadow of the house it used to be when Prince Andrew and his family called it home.

Unoccupied and unloved, its unkempt appearance is perhaps all the more surprising given that the person who bought it can now be revealed as one of the richest men in his mineral-rich homeland of Kazakhstan.

Timur Kulibayev, the son-in-law of the Kazakh president and worth an estimated £1.7 billion in 2008, admitted this weekend that he is the owner of the Ascot mansion. He bought it from Andrew for £3m above the asking price, even though there were no other bidders.

His admission comes after nearly three years of secrecy over the building’s ownership. Kulibayev only acknowledged his role after The Sunday Times painstakingly unravelled the chain of offshore companies he had used to obscure the 2007 purchase.

Insiders say Kulibayev’s decision to pay over the odds for Sunninghill may have been an attempt to win Andrew’s friendship.

Last night fresh questions were being raised over Andrew’s judgment in accepting the money from a businessman now subject to claims of financial impropriety in his homeland.

Ian Davidson, a Labour member of the Commons public accounts committee, questioned whether the prince was “blinded by the opportunity to make a windfall profit”.

Possibly the work he does in Kazakhstan is to the benefit of Britain,” said Davidson. “But he has got to avoid giving the impression that he is for sale or at least for rent.”

Kulibayev, 43, who is married to Dinara, daughter of President Nursultan Nazarbayev, made his fortune from natural resources in Kazakhstan, which has some of the world’s richest gas and mineral reserves.

However, he has frequently been criticised for removing wealth from his homeland, and is currently embroiled in a row involving tit-for-tat corruption allegations with a group of exiled opponents in Britain. Members of his family have also been subject to an abortive investigation in Liechtenstein into money laundering.

Kulibayev has left the 12-bedroom Sunninghill, a wedding present from the Queen to the Duke and Duchess of York, unoccupied, and it has fallen into decay — the latest stage in a sometimes ill-starred history.

The house’s style was widely derided as “supermarket”. Andrew and Sarah were divorced in 1996, but continued to live at Sunninghill with their children Beatrice and Eugenie. The duke eventually moved out in 2004, two years after the house had been put up for sale.

It languished on the market, valued at £12m, until it was suddenly bought in 2007. The high price came even though there were no other bidders.

The buyer was named in the Land Registry as Unity Assets Corporation, based in the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Although The Sunday Times in 2008 identified Kulibayev as the probable buyer, this could not be established for certain.

Contracts on Sunninghill were exchanged in June 2007 and the deal was completed in September in a sale signed off by Mark Bridges, a solicitor at Farrer, the firm which represents the Queen, and by Sir Alan Reid, the monarch’s keeper of the privy purse.

Leaked corporate documents from the BVI and from Kazakhstan, seen by The Sunday Times, unravel the link from Unity to Kulibayev. Share registers show Unity is owned by Merix International Ventures. Merix is owned in turn by Kipros Ltd, also registered in the BVI.

At the time of the purchase, Kipros was owned by Kipros limited liability partnership, registered in Almaty, the former capital of Kazakhstan. Kazakh registration documents from 2007 show Kulibayev as controlling the partnership, and in 2008 its sole share in Kipros Ltd was transferred to him personally.

Further documents show Sunninghill was just one of Kulibayev’s British purchases. Also in 2007, he paid a total of £44.4m for four adjoining houses in Upper Grosvenor Street and Reeves Mews in Mayfair. They were bought in the names of Merix, Vitala and Lynn, all Kulibayev companies.

At the time, both Kulibayev and the palace refused to discuss the Sunninghill purchase. As recently as last Friday morning, Kulibayev denied he was the owner of the properties.

“I am not the owner and I don’t know why you are asking me these questions,” he said to a reporter. However, when he was then read the names of the BVI companies he declined to comment further, referring questions to “my people”.

His London solicitors Magwells later answered on his behalf. Their response said: “Sunninghill was purchased by and is still owned by companies that are legally owned by Mr Kulibayev.” The lawyers also confirmed that the London properties were owned by Kulibayev’s companies.

A source close to the negotiations suggested that the inflated price was prompted by Kulibayev’s hope of doing the prince a favour and so buying a sense of obligation from him.

Eachdaygoesby · 31/03/2022 13:05

@LindaEllen

Oh my god what's wrong with everyone? Mothers don't just give up on their sons even when they're done wrong. There is no reason that Andrew shouldn't have gone to HIS FATHER'S ceremony and walked alongside HIS MOTHER. Take the Royal Family out of the equation for a moment and remember that this was about Prince Philip, and his family on a personal level, not the public/royal level.

He is no longer 'representing' the Royal Family at events etc, but this was not a Royal Family event, this was personal.

Unfortunately monarchy doesn't work like that. Many events in their private life such as weddings and funerals, are public events too. I agree it's hard for the individuals involved, especially the children. I never think young George looks happy in front of the cameras and why should any child be subject to a barrage of photographers? Because we like looking at pictures of the children in the papers? Not me! I think it's cruel.

Presumably someone made the decision that the D of E's memorial service should be broadcast to the nation. It could have been a practical decision, that as an active man, with lots of charities, they needed a large space to invite all the people who knew the DoE, who couldn't attend his funeral because of restricted numbers. They still didn't have to broadcast it! Once that decision was made though, it becomes a public event, and who the Queen choses to accompany her to her seat , comes under scrutiny. That's just how it works. Personally I thought it was an insensitive thing to happen given that PA has only just settled the case with his accuser.

The monarch could not reign and the RF 's activities would be pretty meaninglessness if they chose to sit in their castles all the time and didn't venture out in to the public. The monarchy need public good will in order to continue. And to maintain that good will they let us stare pruriently in to their private family events or share in their happiness, whichever side of the debate you happen to be on! It's a Faustian pact but there you have it!

I personally think it is time we moved on as a nation, stopped embedding privilege at the very heart of our society, restored some of the properties to public use, and let this family live out it's days in relative comfort and privacy. And if Wills has anything about him he may take the initiative, decide to step down gracefully, and become an eco-warrier and decide to re-wild Sandringham or build custom designed not-for-profit homes for people with disabilities or similar.

Eachdaygoesby · 31/03/2022 13:09

V interesting articles TatianaBis

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 31/03/2022 13:11

the palace refused to discuss goes hand in hand with all the obsequious crap that we musn't be too pushy about it all 'out of respect for our dear ageing Queen'.

Fuck that shit, I'm now thinking. This has been a massive racket for decades. I just didn't see our Head of State's part in it clearly.

Well I do now.

So for those saying, 'Oh it was just a mother and her son at a church service' - for me, things will never be the same again.

derxa · 31/03/2022 13:17

and decide to re-wild Sandringham Do you realise we have to grow more food not less?

Eachdaygoesby · 31/03/2022 13:22

@derxa

and decide to re-wild Sandringham Do you realise we have to grow more food not less?
You are very literal Derxa! Grin
Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 13:26

It was a public event paid for by the public purse

Was it? Apart from security, do we know who paid for it? I’d have thought the Church of England would have paid for most of it.

Roussette · 31/03/2022 13:31

I didn't know the CofE paid for Services, that is doubtful surely. I've never heard of them doing that before. It will have been paid by the RF aka the taxpayer.

Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 13:34

@Roussette

I didn't know the CofE paid for Services, that is doubtful surely. I've never heard of them doing that before. It will have been paid by the RF aka the taxpayer.
They supplied the building and all the personnel @Roussette and the Queen’s their boss. Do you really think they sent a bill?
Swayingpalmtrees · 31/03/2022 13:34

The church of England most definitely didn't pay for it!
There was a full reception at Windsor for all of Philip's family and overseas friends and another in London for everyone else. Do you suppose the CoE paid for those too blossom?

Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 13:36

@Swayingpalmtrees

The church of England most definitely didn't pay for it! There was a full reception at Windsor for all of Philip's family and overseas friends and another in London for everyone else. Do you suppose the CoE paid for those too blossom?
How do you know the CoE definitely didn’t pay for it?

Obviously the receptions were paid for by the Royal family but they do have their own money.

derxa · 31/03/2022 13:39

You are very literal Derxa! I realise that but MN seems to swallow this rewilding nonsense whole

Swayingpalmtrees · 31/03/2022 13:42

The CoE simply held the service, they don't bankroll anything beyond the logistics of the service.

Please can you link to show me that the RF paid for this? It was a 'public' event not a private one, therefore paid by the mugs that are us, the tax payers.

Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 13:46

So what do you think the costs were other than the “logistics of the service”? Security we’ve covered. Perhaps you could provide some evidence that the taxpayer funded the private reception after the church service?

Swayingpalmtrees · 31/03/2022 14:05

Blossom I asked YOU to provide the link that it was paid for by the Royal Family.

Roussette · 31/03/2022 14:18

They supplied the building and all the personnel @Roussette* and the Queen’s their boss. Do you really think they sent a bill?"

Exactly, I think you've answered your own question there!
The CofE doesn't pay for all it entailed with thousands there, security etc

Bishops holding the service and a choir, yes. But I've never heard of the CofE paying for anything other than that. It's a bizarre assertion

Swayingpalmtrees · 31/03/2022 14:19

Two huge champagne receptions followed.

Swayingpalmtrees · 31/03/2022 14:21

These events would not be begrudged by me if it were not for the Andrew angle, and him capitalising so openly. It makes my stomach churn the idea of him hobnobbing as if nothing happened. The gall of the man.

It is also triggering the golden child/scapegoat in most of us which isn't helping either Grin

Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 14:23

It is indeed a bizarre assertion which is why I didn’t make it. I knew you’d jump on security which is why I excluded it.

The RF pays for its own family occasions @Swayingpalmtrees. The taxpayer has never paid for royal wedding receptions, why would you think this was any different? Other than always leaping to the worst conclusion.

derxa · 31/03/2022 14:25

@Swayingpalmtrees

Two huge champagne receptions followed.
Heaven forfend they had a wake. You miserable miserable person
Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 14:28

Is there a link evidencing champagne fuelled receptions? My Google must be broken because it’s failing to find even a mention.

Roussette · 31/03/2022 14:33

It is indeed a bizarre assertion which is why I didn’t make it

Pardon? You said... 'I'd have thought the Church of England would have paid for most of it'

Which is why I came on here and asked.

Obviously 'most of it' means different things to different people. I assumed 'most of it' meant... ermmmm 'most of it' Grin

Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 14:37

I actually detailed it for you @Roussette. They supplied the building and all the personnel

Apart from security, what other costs do you think were involved?

Swipe left for the next trending thread