Prince Harry not attending Philips memorial

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It has been confirmed that Prince Harry will not be attending P Philips memorial service. What are people’s thoughts about this? Is the whole security issue a smoke screen for the fact he can’t face his family?

It’s not actually about the individuals in the monarchy. It’s the role and the position. The Crown will carry on no matter who is King or Queen.
It’s our political system and it’s been in place for 1500 years maybe longer. King Alfred perhaps for England anyway. King John and the magna carta then reduced the power of the king to stop them getting too big for their boots and restrain the monarchy power. But we equally restrain the power of the prime minister too unlike US or France where president has much more power than Boris has. It keeps everyone in check and helps stop U.K. ever having a dictator in charge. Power is divided and not concentrated in one person.
It’s a very interesting history, fascinating I would argue but I like all that stuff.

[quote Why2why]@Yeahthat, I’m not sure about the sentiments of the other nations that form part of the UK. England, yes but the rest? Not sure they are so obsessed with monarchy.

England would like to think itself to still be a big player on the world stage and to think that the world thinks highly of its monarchy. People are polite about the Queen. Sadly when she is gone, people are unlikely to play along with this ancient fairy tale whose history is not one to boast about.[/quote]
You don't appear to know much about the UK at all. I'm from one of "the rest" as you put it. I'm not obsessed with the monarchy. In fact, very, very few people are "obsessed" with the monarchy anywhere here. I still expect and support a continuation of our current form of government.

As I said, other countries such as Spain and Sweden still have monarchies. I don't know or care much about them. No one has to "play along" with anything - the UK Royal Family simply perform their roles in line with the constitution. That's it.

You seem to be embittered that all the hashtags and chatter on twitter hasn't been able to bring about a change in the UK constitution. I refer you back to my previous point that twitter isn't real life.

What is your job then why2why? Are you a politician or historian? Genuinely interested
Do you live in U.K.?
I agree that there is no reason why anyone in the world should care what we do here in the U.K. to manage our affairs. Just like we don’t need to comment on what other countries decide either.

@Why2why

Seems the point of your entire rant has been to inform us that you don't like England?

[quote Why2why]@Yeahthat, I’m not sure about the sentiments of the other nations that form part of the UK. England, yes but the rest? Not sure they are so obsessed with monarchy.

England would like to think itself to still be a big player on the world stage and to think that the world thinks highly of its monarchy. People are polite about the Queen. Sadly when she is gone, people are unlikely to play along with this ancient fairy tale whose history is not one to boast about.[/quote]
Other countries are polite to the Queen because she's Head of State and they will be polite to Charles when he's King because that's basic diplomacy.

Not everyone is a DM type who thinks that England is a superpower but I think other countries will be as polite to Charles in the same way that they are polite to royals in other countries. M

There will undoubtedly be more countries that leave the Commonwealth but as UK leaders said during the EU referendum , each country should have the power to decide its future.

@Why2why

Also interesting that England is apparently to you a small, irrelevant country, and yet you've apparently bothered (as you claim) to learn more about its system of government and constitution than its own citizens; are preocuppied by the future of its monarchy; and apparently have considerable emotional energy invested in how it is perceived by the rest of the world.

I agree other countries in commonwealth will likely put it to their populations to remove Queen / king as their head of state. I think it crops up in Australia regularly. It is odd to have a person in the other side of the world as your head of state! I think I would prefer to have an Australian as head of state if I was an Australian for example.
I would not want a presidential system however. I like the system we have with head of state and prime minister rather than president ( president Johnson anyone ) but yes it doesn’t need to be the British monarch for anywhere other than UK
The Queen has always said it’s for individual countries to decide themselves.

They are irrelevant and the rest of the world are polite and play along with this Once Upon A Time farce.

How do they manage to get them to do that I wonder? The WHOLE world just playing along to keep the Queen and her family happy. What's in it for them? Especially when the RF are supposedly such a spiteful, racist, nasty bunch. It's a real conundrum 🤔

@ancientgran There are people in the media who are "royal experts" and this sort of thing creates reason for their content to be published- especially when people will click on it. A certain paper has to make back the money they lost in lawsuits.

@cherryonthecakes, my main point is about relevance. Politeness with the monarchy is just humouring England into thinking the monarchy matters. I do wonder about the politeness towards the monarchy from many Commonwealth countries. When an Institution shows you it thinks less of you because of your colour, politeness will be through gritted teeth.

[quote Yeahthat]@Why2why

Also interesting that England is apparently to you a small, irrelevant country, and yet you've apparently bothered (as you claim) to learn more about its system of government and constitution than its own citizens; are preocuppied by the future of its monarchy; and apparently have considerable emotional energy invested in how it is perceived by the rest of the world.[/quote]
Yes agree! We are both irrelevant and small and no one cares about us but everyone seems to have a opinion on how we decide our laws and our constitution. I wouldn’t dream of going on an American website for example and telling them what I thought about their president and all those states and colleges and voting and also that I didn’t care anyway and they were all irrelevant to the world

@LondonWolf

They are irrelevant and the rest of the world are polite and play along with this Once Upon A Time farce.

How do they manage to get them to do that I wonder? The WHOLE world just playing along to keep the Queen and her family happy. What's in it for them? Especially when the RF are supposedly such a spiteful, racist, nasty bunch. It's a real conundrum 🤔

What would you have them do? Behave rudely so that you can accuse them of being uncivilised towards you civilised country, for whom incivility is “alien”. People play along but as you can see, there are movements across the Commonwealth to politely erase from their citizens minds that the monarchy is of any relevance and to educate them about the abuse committed in the name of the British monarchy.

@sashagabadon

Bizarre isn't it? Like I'd log in to a Swedish or Spanish website to comment and inform them that I don't care about their country yet simultaneously claim to be something of an expert in its constitution and be deeply emotionally invested in the future of their monarchy

[quote Why2why]@cherryonthecakes, my main point is about relevance. Politeness with the monarchy is just humouring England into thinking the monarchy matters. I do wonder about the politeness towards the monarchy from many Commonwealth countries. When an Institution shows you it thinks less of you because of your colour, politeness will be through gritted teeth.[/quote]
Politeness between countries is diplomacy. All countries do it ( well not all)
All countries need to have some system of organisation and a head of state and other countries will respect that and be polite.
Why wouldn’t they?
Would you be happy if our queen or Boris went to say France and didn’t respect Macron? Even Trump got respect from the Queen. It’s the position / country that is respected not necessarily the person themselves.

@sashagabadon, you wouldn’t do that because unlike England, the US is hugely relevant. That’s why the President of the United States is seen as the leader of the free world. Not the British Monarchy. So if you were to claim that the US president is irrelevant then that would be a source of amusement.

And when decisions on the world stage has to be made, the US president wont be calling the Queen or King of England for advice or permission.

However, it’s always nice to take photos with members of the Royal Family. Nice for the mantle piece and tourist bragging rights.

@ AuntFlorence
H did go to PP’s funeral .

[quote Why2why]@sashagabadon, you wouldn’t do that because unlike England, the US is hugely relevant. That’s why the President of the United States is seen as the leader of the free world. Not the British Monarchy. So if you were to claim that the US president is irrelevant then that would be a source of amusement.[/quote]
Do is size if country the decider to give respect or not?
All countries should respect the system in all others regardless of size. U.K. is quite a large population size compared to many other countries.
Anyway I honestly don’t care that much if other countries do it don’t think our system is a good one.
I think there may be better governance systems out there in the world but there’s plenty of worse ones!
As Churchill said ( paraphrased) “democracy is the worse system in the world apart from all the other ones” and that’s what I think about our constitution monarchy too

@Why2why

And when decisions on the world stage has to be made, the US president wont be calling the Queen or King of England for advice or permission.

However, it’s always nice to take photos with members of the Royal Family. Nice for the mantle piece and tourist bragging rights.

Of course not! Prime minister yes, the Queen no

@Why2why

You do realise that no one would expect them to? No one would expect our own Prime Minister to do so. Why would the US President?

As for your claim to be knowledgeable on the British constitution (or indeed, anything), judging by the ignorance of your posts, I find it hard to believe.

One thing you have confirmed is that the Royal Family, no matter what happens here or elsewhere, will continue to be incredibly relevant to you. You appear yourself to be rather obsessed with them.

I meant memorial I wrote the wrong word sorry

his earning power is almost entirely dependent on being seen as royal, so if he continues to skip the big events that's going to affect his income in the future

His 'earning power' is diminishing by the day. It's long been overshadowed by major world events starting with his (unwittingly entertainingly timed) royal exit coinciding with global lockdown. It's further compromised by the poor quantity of output in the handful of deals he has managed to make.

I don't care whether he visits for the memorial. I do care that if he does the taxpayer will be expected to sub him even if he is riding on the coat-tails of some other underserving royal parasite.

[quote Why2why]@sashagabadon, you wouldn’t do that because unlike England, the US is hugely relevant. That’s why the President of the United States is seen as the leader of the free world. Not the British Monarchy. So if you were to claim that the US president is irrelevant then that would be a source of amusement.[/quote]
Biden is worse than irrelevant, he is like a two hundred year old harry

[quote cherryonthecakes]@ancientgran There are people in the media who are "royal experts" and this sort of thing creates reason for their content to be published- especially when people will click on it. A certain paper has to make back the money they lost in lawsuits. [/quote]
The media experts might miss them but the papers have got plenty to write about.