Prince Harry not attending Philips memorial

[FlyingGeeseAgain]

It has been confirmed that Prince Harry will not be attending P Philips memorial service. What are people’s thoughts about this? Is the whole security issue a smoke screen for the fact he can’t face his family?

@tigger2022 you’re bothered by Prince Harry’s costume but not by the Nazi salutes of your dear royal family? You’re not bothered by the Royal Family’s support of Hitler at the time?

What kind of fantasy world is this when we point fingers at one person but lose reality when worse behaviours are the norm for other Royal Family members. And don’t get me started on racist William.

These Harry and Meghan bashing obsession by the British is just ludicrous, comical, boring and just batshit crazy.

I can’t waste my time on this puerile nonsense.

It's the re-writing of history that's baffling.

Meghan was welcome and treated nicely? Come on.

[quote Why2why]@tigger2022 you’re bothered by Prince Harry’s costume but not by the Nazi salutes of your dear royal family? You’re not bothered by the Royal Family’s support of Hitler at the time?

What kind of fantasy world is this when we point fingers at one person but lose reality when worse behaviours are the norm for other Royal Family members. And don’t get me started on racist William.[/quote]
The Queen and her late husband did not do nazi salutes, Prince Philip served in the Royal Navy and risked his life like other servicemen to defeat the nazis. The Queen was a child when the war started but as a teenager she served in the ATS.

I assume you are talking about her waste of space uncle who thankfully abdicated and took himself off elsewhere.

A lot of people on this thread don’t seem to know much about history. Just ‘hate’ Britain and the RF. to use a favourite word.

@Why2why I think you skipped a few history lessons!

The RF did NOT support Hitler. In fact Britain even went to the trouble of having a war with him! Our head of state George VI was at war with the Nazis for longer than any other. Many RF members served, including the Queen herself who was a mechanic in the ATS.

By "the royal family's support" I assume you actually mean "only the Duke of Windsor (formerly Edward VIII)'s support"? At the time, he had abdicated and left the country in disgrace. It was only decades later that it was revealed publicly that he had believed Hitler would conquer Britain, depose his brother, and "re-instate" him as King - he was foolish and treasonous. He also died over a decade before I was born!

It's very very silly to argue that the current RF family line must be bad, because the guy who wanted to collude with the Nazis to depose them is also bad.

I object to Harry wearing the costume because the Nazis killed almost my entire family. It's not a joke. It was crass and extremely poor taste, and Harry seems to have learned nothing.

@Why2why

These Harry and Meghan bashing obsession by the British is just ludicrous, comical, boring and just batshit crazy.

I can’t waste my time on this puerile nonsense.

goodbye then.

@Why2why

These Harry and Meghan bashing obsession by the British is just ludicrous, comical, boring and just batshit crazy.

I can’t waste my time on this puerile nonsense.

What are you doing here then? Are you lost?

@ancientgran

I believe the poster was referring to this picture.
There were articles and documentary saying the BRF was in support of Germany/Hitler at the beginning. Though I believe when the country and the world showed it's contempt, they had to rethink their stance.

H & M have done plenty of bashing themselves. It's always somebody else's fault with that pair. Her sister, her Dad, the press. Then they moved on to how awful the royals were.

@Viviennemary

H & M have done plenty of bashing themselves. It's always somebody else's fault with that pair. Her sister, her Dad, the press. Then they moved on to how awful the royals were.

It's a real coincidence how everything Harry has ever done wrong has actually been someone else's fault (unlucky) and how every few years Meghan has to up sticks, leave a country and cut off contact with everyone she knows again (must be a real inconvenience).

tigger2022

Why2why
These Harry and Meghan bashing obsession by the British is just ludicrous, comical, boring and just batshit crazy.

I can’t waste my time on this puerile nonsense.

What are you doing here then? Are you lost?

Brilliant response !👏👏

The difference between Kate and Meghan is that Kate had support from the RF, whereas they seemed to be working against Meghan. So, I think she could also take the press hate, if things were not made bad from within.

how every few years Meghan has to up sticks, leave a country and cut off contact with everyone she knows again

You mean she has to work in different countries?
She has known her BFFs for over 20yrs from school/uni and is still friends with her castmates.

Again, I really don't think it makes any sense to compare Kate and Meghan. Firstly, their roles are completely different - Kate is going to be Queen whereas Meghan will be the equivalent of e.g. Countess of Wessex/Timothy Laurence/Fergie/Earl of Snowdon/Princess Marina/Princess Alice. Secondly, Kate was not accused of bullying anyone and she adapted to the institution before she started doing her own things. They are both in the RF but are completely different people with completely different jobs.

@ notanotheroneagain

I can’t believe you are using a photo from nearly 90 years ago to try to illustrate your argument!

@ancientgran the Queen did do a Nazi salute as a child. There is photographic evidence. Encouraged to apparently by her Nazi supporting Uncle.
Obviously this does not mean she supports this as an adult. But there were real security worries about her Nazi Uncle and even rumours that he leaked allied troop positions to the Nazis.

And what a surprise to see a thread bashing Harry and Meghan.

Nothing of course about Andrew. Its all business as usual.

Oprah did a disservice by using a headline pastiche from other countries and saying it was the UK press.
Harry was in Australia when I think Charlotte was born. A journalist pointed out to him that he had slipped back a place in succession and he laughed and said 'good.' it does seem to be since marriage that he is resentful of his diminishing status.

@tigger2022

I think the problem is with monarchy the public have to suspend a certain amount of disbelief. We all know in our heart of hearts it's obviously unfair, that these people are chosen arbitrarily, but we swallow it down because weirdly as a system constitutional monarchy does seem to work, and they're good for tourists, and they do a lot for charity (mainly by standing next to it while people point cameras at them). By deciding to share his opinions and problems with the world though, Harry's proven himself to be without question as entitled and stupid as everyone always suspected he was. He's proven the "men in grey suits" were earning their money keeping him from making a fool of himself for so long. It shatters the view of the institution, and means you can't suspend disbelief anymore. Same with Andrew, although for him in a much more serious way - criminal and abusive. And with Charles and his dodgy charity money. The royal men are all proving exactly what they were always suspected of being but never known to be.

I think we should switch to a reverse system where monarchy is just the women!

I like this idea.

@alltheapples

And what a surprise to see a thread bashing Harry and Meghan.

Nothing of course about Andrew. Its all business as usual.

It seems as though bashing Harry and Meghan is easier to do for some because clearly people have polarizing views. Whereas, with Andrew it’s very clear cut that that he’s in the wrong, even if he may well be legally cleared.

Besides, I’m sure even those who do not like Harry and Meghan, do not condone Andrew’s actions so it’s a bit silly to constantly mention how there’s a public lack of admonishment for Andrew. I’m sure royalist or not, everyone with an ounce of common sense will not agree with Andrew’s actions.

What I do not agree is when people seem to almost “hate follow” and constantly spout negativity. If people really dislike Harry and Meghan so much, they should stop talking about them and reading about them and analysing their actions. Just let them lead the lives they want to lead because it’s not effecting them. I doubt the royal family would care very much how people are up in arms and almost comically offended by Harry not attending Philip’s memorial. They may well have their own personal misgivings, but some of this braying just has to stop. Let Harry and Meghan live their lives and eventually they’ll will just be part of the background just like Sophie and the others. If nobody read these stories, I doubt the tabloids would spread them as much so clearly it is getting those clicks.

I’m sure Harry and Meghan have a lot to offer to the plate and perhaps one day they will. Or who knows, there may no longer be a royal family in its current after the passing of the current queen and they may well have done the smart thing.

It’s like the time when the queen was berated when she chose to be with her grandkids when their mother died. There are some people who eat up those tabloids and The Crown stories like it’s gospel…who knows if the tabloids are just giving what the people want or if there is an element of stoking up some kind anger or negativity just to get more clicks whilst they get people frothing about some silly thing or other.

Don’t click, don’t read, and just move on from analysing the movements of those who you clearly dislike in the public domain. Unless someone is abusing the taxpayer’s money in some way or is breaking the law and is somehow behaving unlawfully, does it really matter what Harry and Meghan do? I don’t envy the position of William and Kate because they won’t have Harry and Meghan to fall back on and they will always have more scrutiny seeing as they’re closer in line to the throne.

@tigger2022 Or not have a monarchy at all. But then we must be prepared for the alternatives so there must be some kind of way to move on from the current form it is in.

@Roussette

Why2Why

Totally agree. He's always been a square peg in a round hole and he met someone who helped him get out. Good on him. I find it laughable that posters think he always wanted the top job. AFAIC nothing could be further from the truth In My Opinion. (don't shoot me. just an opinion)

Well done him getting out. Best thing ever for him and her

He might have always wanted out but one thing is absolutely crystal clear is that he expected to have every perk he enjoyed as a working royal still available to him whilst no longer being 'employed' as a working royal.

@lockdownhasbrokenme

Do you think he actually ever really wanted out? It would have been simple to do. Look at Princess Mako. Married her boyfriend in a simple ceremony, bowed out gracefully and moved to NY. As you say, I think he enjoys (and feels entitled to) the priviliges of being royalty too much to have really walked away.

@Yeahthat But it’s a blurry line isn’t it? Perhaps he is courting publicity, who knows? After all, he needs to pay for his lifestyle in some way or another. I do not condone his actions, nor do I follow them quite closely.

But surely he cannot lead a completely private life because, just as how an ordinary person will miss family events when living abroad, he too will miss some too? Wouldn’t that be expected of a private individual? Maybe, the expectations people have him are different because his naysayers assume he has the wherewithal to travel anywhere, and by not doing so, it’s some kind of snub? And perhaps this is seen as a personal slight? Maybe, if the royal family continues, once George and his siblings grow older and the royal family gets more streamlined, what Harry does and doesn’t do, won’t matter so much.

They could fade into obscurity, but clearly they want to fulfill some kind of public role or another. I think he should be treated just like any celebrity and just let them get on with whatever they’re doing, with no expectations at all.