King Charles & Queen Camilla? Really?

[Joystir59]

Can anyone honestly imagine these two carrying the royal family forward once the Queen dies?

I wish there was a way to vote to get rid of them.

Sounds like a couple of dogs

@Phos

Yes. Effing really.

Let’s take off our Diana tinted glasses and look at the fact he’s the heir to the damn throne and actually the two of them since they married have done a fantastic job as working Royals. She’s been dignified and dedicated in the face of massive and not entirely deserved criticism.

Funny no one mentions how many affairs saint Di had.

I liked Diana but she wasn’t perfect. I think Camilla is not just a better match but is a more suitable consort because she understands her role is to support Charles.

@notanotheroneagain

It has been studied over and over, the British RF dose not bring any extra money to the country.

Versailles is the most visited palace, in Europe even the Louvre (former palace) has more visitors.

Maybe we can make money opening up their big palaces too.

Britain falls around number 10 for tourism.

Studies also show that they bring no particular value to charities either. Countries with no royalty do not have their charities suffering due to lack of royal patronages.

Yes, the RF's general worthlessness has been linked and explained dozens of times on mn over the past year, but the monarchists keep posting historical misconceptions and debunked myths because they refuse to fact-check.

@Letsleepingcats

The soft diplomacy element is oft overlooked. They are much admired around the world and leaders love to be the recipient of a Royal banquet. Must bring in millions in trade etc.

Lots of Commonwealth countries are talking about ditching the Royal Family as soon as the Queen dies. And top business leaders do not invest in a country because the Queen gives them a slap-up meal. No one swayed by that would make a lot of money.

Also the Queen had to personally beg the Commonwealth to allow Charles to be their Head. They had not wanted Charles.

@ Monopolyiscrap
“Lots of Commonwealth countries are talking about ditching the Royal Family as soon as the Queen dies”

Which ones ? I haven’t read or heard that .

@Chilledchablis1 I keep reading articles about it. Barbados was one, but they decided to go ahead anyway. Jamaica is another who keep saying this. Australia has said it as well and New Zealand.
Obviously, it depends on who is in power when the Queen dies in these countries. But if you follow the Royal Family, these kind of articles are common.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jamaica-s-prime-minister-says-they-want-to-ditch-the-queen-but-keep-the-commonwealth-a6994301.html

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@Chilledchablis1 I keep reading articles about it. Barbados was one, but they decided to go ahead anyway. Jamaica is another who keep saying this. Australia has said it as well and New Zealand.
Obviously, it depends on who is in power when the Queen dies in these countries. But if you follow the Royal Family, these kind of articles are common.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jamaica-s-prime-minister-says-they-want-to-ditch-the-queen-but-keep-the-commonwealth-a6994301.html[/quote]
When you say 'Australia has said it', what do you mean? I imagine these things would have to be decided by a referendum.

And the article you've linked to is over 5 years old.

@ Monopolyiscrap
I do follow the RF but rarely see any such articles apart from ones by staunch Republican leaning groups .
I certainly haven’t seen anything recently .

@IcedPurple As I said I keep reading articles about it. I googled and linked to an article. There are more below.'
In terms of who wants to, it appears to be a point of discussion in these countries because there are polls and articles about it often. So it depends on what party are in power when the Queen dies. But some polls are showing a majority no longer want the Royal Family as Head of State. So it may be an easy popular move for a government.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1352601/royal-news-australia-republic-queen-elizabeth-ii-royal-family-palace-letters-spt

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/another-country-ditches-the-queen-is-australia-next/news-story/407b6db569fb5d55797d5c075d28d865

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1561919/new-zealand-latest-news-maori-party-british-royal-family-ont

www.1news.co.nz/2020/02/06/should-new-zealand-ditch-the-royal-family-and-become-a-republic/

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealander-s-keen-to-ditch-the-queen-and-seek-independent-state-when-she-passes-away-new-poll-a7228141.html

www.the-sun.com/news/4176225/barbados-republic-queen-commonwealth-countries/

@Chilledchablis1 I see articles nearly every week. Another poll. Another article about why it is a good idea to remove the Royal Family as Head of State from one of these countries, or sometimes a defence piece of why they should keep them.
There is no serious REpublican movement in Britain. That is not the case abroad.

@Marchingredsoldiers

Isn't the whole point of a royal family that it is determined by birth and archaic rules? It's not like x factor where the public have a say.

Either accept you're a subject or be a republican. Being upset with who is King and Queen just seems to be an inconsistent in between position.

Yep.

Anyway whether other countries remove the Royal Family as Head of State when the Queen does won't affect me one bit. Barbados removing the Queen has not affected me.
The only difference it will make is that some could no longer claim on chat forums how much the Royal Family is adored abroad.

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@IcedPurple As I said I keep reading articles about it. I googled and linked to an article. There are more below.'
In terms of who wants to, it appears to be a point of discussion in these countries because there are polls and articles about it often. So it depends on what party are in power when the Queen dies. But some polls are showing a majority no longer want the Royal Family as Head of State. So it may be an easy popular move for a government.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1352601/royal-news-australia-republic-queen-elizabeth-ii-royal-family-palace-letters-spt

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/another-country-ditches-the-queen-is-australia-next/news-story/407b6db569fb5d55797d5c075d28d865

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1561919/new-zealand-latest-news-maori-party-british-royal-family-ont

www.1news.co.nz/2020/02/06/should-new-zealand-ditch-the-royal-family-and-become-a-republic/

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealander-s-keen-to-ditch-the-queen-and-seek-independent-state-when-she-passes-away-new-poll-a7228141.html

www.the-sun.com/news/4176225/barbados-republic-queen-commonwealth-countries/[/quote]
I don't think any of those articles suggest that 'NZ has said this' or 'Australia has said that', did they? They're mostly speculation.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if some Commonwealth countries choose to become republics when Charles is king, but I don't think it's as sure a thing as you seem to believe.

A real gruesome twosome. I have no respect for them and think it's a disaster to have someone with no morals as head of the CofE

I don't think we will get to King William. After the Queen dies they will begin a slide into irrelevance. I hoe they stop supporting the RF from the public purse.

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@Chilledchablis1 I see articles nearly every week. Another poll. Another article about why it is a good idea to remove the Royal Family as Head of State from one of these countries, or sometimes a defence piece of why they should keep them.
There is no serious REpublican movement in Britain. That is not the case abroad.[/quote]
Republic.org.uk are serious, just very small.

Canada also not keen on the RF. Seems the complexity of getting rid is a big factor for them in queen still being head of state, rather than anyone thinking medieval pantomimes are still a good thing. Perhaps Queen Camilla will restore their popularity 😂 Link from 2021. globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/globalnews.ca/news/8418373/can-canada-become-a-republic/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16446795402694&amp_ct=1644679544278&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=Da%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F8418373%2Fcan-canada-become-a-republic%2F

The fascination with the RF is huge, hence the focus on Harry, Meghan etc. It sells.

Look at Netflix. Awash with royals and aristocracy content.

We love the royals, good and bad. Can't see that changing.

@notanotheroneagain

*Really? Donald Trump, Jacob Zuma, Nixon, Mugabe... The list goes on and on*

And you can kick them out when they mess up.
That's the point.

No you can't. Look at what it took in Zimbabwe.

@monroeagogo

The fascination with the RF is huge, hence the focus on Harry, Meghan etc. It sells.

Look at Netflix. Awash with royals and aristocracy content.

We love the royals, good and bad. Can't see that changing.

Yes there is a fascination with Meghan and Harry. Except they are not Royal Family members officially anymore . Even on here Harry and Meghan threads get far more comments.

No you can't

But we can't either. We just can't. Having no choice in our head of state is not a democracy in any shape or form so why do people insist that we are living in one?

@ZenNudist

A real gruesome twosome. I have no respect for them and think it's a disaster to have someone with no morals as head of the CofE

I don't think we will get to King William. After the Queen dies they will begin a slide into irrelevance. I hoe they stop supporting the RF from the public purse.

I guess the CofE would be in agreement with Jesus, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"

That is the point. The people had the choice to vote them in. If they felt a candidate is unacceptable, they chose not to vote that person in power.

It really is not that simple. Voting rarely is.

Having no choice in our head of state is not a democracy in any shape or form so why do people insist that we are living in one?

Because we are a constitutional monarchy and we elect our political leaders who are responsible for how we live on a day to day basis. We do not live in a single party state. Democracy is a system of government through elected representatives which we have through parliament. It has nothing to do with electing a head of state. Would you prefer to elect a head of state who could potentially seize power and not allow fair and free elections to remove them? There were rumours that Trump was looking for political reform to allow him to remain in office beyond two terms had he been re-elected 🤷‍♀️

Would you prefer to elect a head of state who could potentially seize power and not allow fair and free elections to remove them?

What on earth are you talking about? Lots of W European democracies have an elected president who acts as referee and can step in if the PM is being a twat. Why are people not wanting to consider alternatives or look at ROI, Italy, Germany etc.

We also do effectively live in a single-party state. A 44-percent govt is not a majority and our current system offers no hope of a fairer result. We put up and shut up while Boris parties and the queen hands out meaningless awards to worthless morons.

We have no constitution so "constitutional monarchy" is meaningless.

Face it, there's a political crisis in the UK. If you'd like to address that with more bling and ostrich feathers, carry on and see where it gets you.