Meghan has complained about Amol Rahman’s podcast

[Thoosa]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/17/meghan-markle-complains-bbc-podcast-claim-apologised-misleading/

She has complained to the BBC that he said on the podcast that she “misled the court” in the Daily Mail case.

I thought she apologised for misleading the court and insisted it was inadvertent?

AR’s BBC documentary seemed quite pro-Sussex, so this is confusing.

I hadn’t heard of the podcast but will have a listen now. (Streisand effect rides again,)

Is there some difference between British and American English that might explain this? I cannot figure it out,

It's fine, others may have been behind the whole thing. But as I said, until W, cleanses his hands of this, it rests with him automatically as the boss of KP and therefore JK.

The 3 main houses have autonomy, even though BP is the most senior. Both KP and CC even have their own PR. Everyone else has to go through BP.

I suspect that is when problems began, when they lumped H&M with W&K - understandably, because H was lumped with KP all along anyway. I am not saying that W personally was aggrieved, could be or his employees have been?

I also have no idea what W's intention was, but I am saying that the fact this came from his office and the buck stops with him.

MM did not know at that point who OS was, she is even questioning his honesty and JK is the one who re-assures her

But that is not relevant to the fact that it was categorically denied that they had any involvement at all with FF, and then “oh whoops I forgot I sent emails authorising JK to talk to Scobie”.

The story sums up the Streisand Effect, named after singer Barbra Streisand, which is an online phenomenon in which an attempt to hide or remove information - a photo, video, story etc - results in the greater spread of the information in question.

@smilesy

MM did not know at that point who OS was, she is even questioning his honesty and JK is the one who re-assures her

But that is not relevant to the fact that it was categorically denied that they had any involvement at all with FF, and then “oh whoops I forgot I sent emails authorising JK to talk to Scobie”.

She categorically denied it, because she did not speak to him?

She categorically denied it, because she did not speak to him?

Oh come on. Okay so she did not speak to him directly but she was aware of who he was and what he was writing, and she authorised contact with him and suggested content for the book. You are obfuscating in the extreme.

@smilesy

She categorically denied it, because she did not speak to him?

Oh come on. Okay so she did not speak to him directly but she was aware of who he was and what he was writing, and she authorised contact with him and suggested content for the book. You are obfuscating in the extreme.

That is your opinion. Once more nothing, to do with the case, so not sure why people are latching on so much to this.

Good for her. Her complaints are normally perfectly valid which is why despite the futile unpleasant frothing and gnashing of teeth on here, and nasty rancid right wing press dissing her any chance they get, her complaints are normally upheld.

She is not a stupid woman, unfortunately for the hatefuls.

@rubicscubicle

JK submitted the emails. They were all at a specific time. MM did not know at that point who OS was, she is even questioning his honesty and JK is the one who re-assures her. At one point H say, I hope they do tell the truth, it's important that they tell the truth.

Clearly MM did not go deep into the FF questions, because she could see it for the diversion it is - I say MM her lawyers ofcourse, as there seems to be a need to distinguish on this thread.

I thought I remembered reading, way back at the start of Scobie’s sudden fame, that he was socially connected with MM through members of the club they all belonged to? Was it Soho house? Somewhere like that?

There was definitely some kind of speculation about who this previously-unheard-of “royal correspondent” was and what his access was.

Anyone else recall this?

That is your opinion. Once more nothing, to do with the case, so not sure why people are latching on so much to this.

I was merely pointing out to you that you said that she “had not spoken to him” (Scobie) and that you are splitting hairs by saying this. I know it did not affect the case, but as a pp eloquently put it in a previous post, that does not mean that this evidence should not be presented to correct some misinformation. Go and look against the excellent posts by @madisonbridges who explained why evidence should always be put forward, even if it does not impact on the case. Whether it is relevant or not is for the judges to then decide. It turns out they thought it wasn’t relevant to this case in their opinion, but that does not negate the fact that the evidence shows that the emails existed and Meghan had to apologise. If that inconveniently contradicts the narrative that HaM had nothing to do with the book, that is too bad.

@ Thoosa

I read that OS and MM first met when she was in Suits .

@Chilledchablis1

@ Thoosa

I read that OS and MM first met when she was in Suits .

So maybe on Toronto circles?

That would certainly put a complexion on it all, if true.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-prince-harry-finding-freedom-book-royals-omid-scobie-interview-a9663146.html?amp

This says they met in 2013

@rubicscubicle

It's fine, others may have been behind the whole thing. But as I said, until W, cleanses his hands of this, it rests with him automatically as the boss of KP and therefore JK.

The 3 main houses have autonomy, even though BP is the most senior. Both KP and CC even have their own PR. Everyone else has to go through BP.

I suspect that is when problems began, when they lumped H&M with W&K - understandably, because H was lumped with KP all along anyway. I am not saying that W personally was aggrieved, could be or his employees have been?

I also have no idea what W's intention was, but I am saying that the fact this came from his office and the buck stops with him.

TBF, Jason Knauf is a highly experienced PR careerist, no doubt a member of a professional body, subject to a code of conduct, also subject to the law and his own conscience.

He’s not a desk or a printer. He’s a human being with a skilled job and a mind.

Who knows what lead to his decision to come forward? He did so belatedly, which could be because a Royal personally asked him to, or quite the opposite. Who knows what advice he sought, and internal debates he had before stepping forward to offer the emails to the court?

It’s impossible to insist on any given interpretation of his actions. We just don’t know who he spoke to about it or what they said.

Goodness me, do you know how many members belong to Soho House. Does not mean they all know each other.

Where did you read he knew her on suits. let me guess : blind gossip !

OS himself has admitted a number of times he met MM for the first time during her last CW students event when he and Town and Country were invited.

@Chilledchablis1

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-prince-harry-finding-freedom-book-royals-omid-scobie-interview-a9663146.html?amp

This says they met in 2013

So it does. Well that’s interesting- if you find media workings interesting, and I do - because that’s way before she even met Harry. She was on another relationship at that point.

You can’t blame Scobie for working his sources when her profile suddenly soared, whatever you think about his actual writing.

@Chilledchablis1

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/meghan-markle-prince-harry-finding-freedom-book-royals-omid-scobie-interview-a9663146.html?amp

This says they met in 2013

If 'met her' means him seeing her across the floor at a press junket. Just like how Piers 'meets' celebrities.

She certainly seems very bright @DeeCeeCherry

That’s why I was so surprised she did this. The Streisand effect was inevitable.

If JK knew an illegality had taken place, ie MM misleading the court, it is not breaking an NDA to report it. He doesn't need permission from anyone. Even if he had told PW what he was going to do, PW couldn't have stopped him, and shouldn't have. NDAs are not used to hide criminal actions.

How could PW publicly condemn JK for adhering to the law? It would be immoral. Giving information of an affair that MM might have had would be wrong. But her going into court and swearing she had never had an affair would give him grounds to go to court to contradict that regardless of an NDA.
(Not saying she has had an affair, just as with PW, I don't know. Just using that as an example.)

I have to say, that’s my take on it.

PE might have had an opinion, or not, might have expressed it or not, but JK is an intelligent individual with a career and his own reputation to protect. Can you imagine if the emails had later leaked and he had said nothing? It would look like he was complicit in a coverup and in misleading a court of law.

Weren't MM and either Scobie or Durand meant to have cried together and hugged at her last engagement. She definitely knew one of them.

PW might have had an opinion, I mean.

Lots of people might have.

Doesn’t matter to JK’s legal l, reputational and ethical situation.

to hide criminal actions.

What criminal actions has MM done, pray tell.

Weren't MM and either Scobie or Durand meant to have cried together and hugged at her last engagement. She definitely knew one of them.
She hugged Scobie, and I think the journalist from Town and Country (or some such magazine). I believe she also hugged some of the CW students too. This was her last weekend engagements. She regularly hugged people on the streets on the royal walkabouts, are you saying she knows all of these people?

@Thoosa

I have to say, that’s my take on it.

PE might have had an opinion, or not, might have expressed it or not, but JK is an intelligent individual with a career and his own reputation to protect. Can you imagine if the emails had later leaked and he had said nothing? It would look like he was complicit in a coverup and in misleading a court of law.

Once more, if the emails leaked, they have nothing to do with the letter, what would that have anything do with anything.

Once more, if the emails leaked, they have nothing to do with the letter, what would that have anything do with anything.

It’s called covering your arse, isn’t it?

If you are aware that someone you worked with has misled a court of law - accidentally, deliberately or whatever - about something you also worked on, it makes perfect sense that you might want to err on the side of caution, say what you know and let the judges judge.

Ignore me if I've got the timescales wrong, but regardless of when Meghan first "met" Scobie, the papers covered his upcoming book for months, salivating over what he might say

So considering H&M's almost obsessive interest over anyone saying practically anything about them, is it really likely they didn't know who he was by then, or if not that they didn't bother to find out?

As with most of them, for me accepting any of it involves a suspension of disbelief that is, frankly, something of a stretch