ITV documentary about Andrew and Ghislaine

[cherryonthecakes]

www.itv.com/news/2022-01-17/ghislaine-maxwell-kept-coming-in-and-out-in-and-out-of-buckingham-palace

An ITV documentary is airing tomorrow suggesting that Andrew may have dated Ghislaine Maxwell

The media latch on to the slightest thing and won't let it go.

That's a new one. JE's sex trafficking empire being a "slightest thing". Sheesh?

upinaballon

Well... I flipping knew!
Epstein had been convicted, she knew that!

Ad you can't tell me that Mi5 or Security or Intelligence or whoever don't check out people at Royals are in contact with?
Security or embarassment or threats to the Monarch, or blackmail opportunities, or compromising a member of the RF and so on.

Yes I do blame the Queen for not getting a handle on it sooner. Why wouldn't I?
She 'expressed her concern' eleven whole years ago about his relationship with JE and his role as Trade Envoy.
Did she do anything about it except pathetic expressing concern... NO.

He told anyone who tried to advise him that the only person he was answerable to was the Queen. She did nothing and here we are with the RF's name rock bottom round the world.

@Roussette

upinaballon

Well... I flipping knew!
Epstein had been convicted, she knew that!

Ad you can't tell me that Mi5 or Security or Intelligence or whoever don't check out people at Royals are in contact with?
Security or embarassment or threats to the Monarch, or blackmail opportunities, or compromising a member of the RF and so on.

Yes I do blame the Queen for not getting a handle on it sooner. Why wouldn't I?
She 'expressed her concern' eleven whole years ago about his relationship with JE and his role as Trade Envoy.
Did she do anything about it except pathetic expressing concern... NO.

He told anyone who tried to advise him that the only person he was answerable to was the Queen. She did nothing and here we are with the RF's name rock bottom round the world.

Absolutely.

She was in a position to bring him to heel PDQ: "You do it properly and with good grace or you can wave goodbye to any more money from The Firm, wave goodbye to your military titles and protection, and wave goodbye to any inheritance"

But given the stories about his behaviour as a child and as an adult towards anybody and anything this is a problem largely of her own making. I've said it before, but letting him behave like a monster as a child has simply meant he's behaved like a monster as an adult. Why should he be any different when he's been allowed to it for his whole life ?

The RF's name hasn't sunk low enough though - there's still little-to-no debate in the UK about a republic. Not even The Guardian seems to want to grasp that nettle.

To be fair to the Queen, her own upbringing left a lot to be desired. The QM was ruthless in drumming that merciless, rigid sense of duty into her daughter at all costs. Perhaps the Queen felt guilt for not being able to be close with her first two children due to royal duties as a young monarch, and to compensate overly indulged Andrew.

Aristocratic children of past generations in general missed out on a loving childhood. Often these children were closer to their nannies than with their own parents and the experience of the British Public boarding school at that time would hardly foster gentle, caring, empathetic qualities in its pupils.

@AuntMasha

To be fair to the Queen, her own upbringing left a lot to be desired. The QM was ruthless in drumming that merciless, rigid sense of duty into her daughter at all costs. Perhaps the Queen felt guilt for not being able to be close with her first two children due to royal duties as a young monarch, and to compensate overly indulged Andrew.

Aristocratic children of past generations in general missed out on a loving childhood. Often these children were closer to their nannies than with their own parents and the experience of the British Public boarding school at that time would hardly foster gentle, caring, empathetic qualities in its pupils.

Oh please.

We're talking about someone who routinely tells employed staff to 'fuck off'. As a child he tormented guardsmen on duty, kicked dogs, swiped the legs of horses...the list goes on.

I don't care what you're upbringing is like, you know that's the behaviour of a spoiled brat and unless it's dealt with it's going to create a monstrous individual as an adult.

The Queen is not Doris from across the road who came from a broken home. She is the head of a massively wealthy organisation and also our unelected Head of State. We have literally no means of ridding ourselves of these dreadful people - and I won't entertain weasle worded "to be fair to the Queen" comments.

Go and be fair to people who've been on the receiving end of Andrew's horrible behaviour and have had no recourse.

I think you’ve got me wrong — I’m not defending HMQ, simply trying to understand how and why he was allowed to behave in the way he did. I’m no royalist, believe me!

The fact is that none of these people inhabit the same world as the rest of us. There is no one telling them that such and such isn’t a good idea or that this behaviour would be unacceptable in a social situation. They inhabit a bubble where there are no consequences. Andrew would probably have got away with his behaviour with Epstein, Maxwell et al were we living in a previous era. Part of this problem is that the monarch herself is extremely elderly.

@AuntMasha

I think you’ve got me wrong — I’m not defending HMQ, simply trying to understand how and why he was allowed to behave in the way he did. I’m no royalist, believe me!

The fact is that none of these people inhabit the same world as the rest of us. There is no one telling them that such and such isn’t a good idea or that this behaviour would be unacceptable in a social situation. They inhabit a bubble where there are no consequences. Andrew would probably have got away with his behaviour with Epstein, Maxwell et al were we living in a previous era. Part of this problem is that the monarch herself is extremely elderly.

Fair enough. I'm sorry that I looked down the wrong end of the telescope (as it were).

I agree with what you say but I see no good solution short of doing away with the whole institution. Apart from anything else, the people who are part of it have to live a life that I don't really think anyone else would want and it's not like, say, a President where you actively go after the role. As we've seen with Harry and Megan, it's not really straightforward to leave The Firm either.

“Apart from anything else, the people who are part of it have to live a life that I don't really think anyone else would want and it's not like, say, a President where you actively go after the role.”

I wholeheartedly agree with you here.

@Ontheblink

Andrews mother must have know who and what he was doing, she knew exactly what he was up to- all that time! Why on earth didn’t the Queen step in earlier. So very disturbing

I don't think you can deduce that.

@eekbumbler

Why was it called Ghislaine, The Prince and the Paedophile?

Why not - The Convicted Child Sex Trafficker, The Prince and The Paedophile?

Because it was filmed before the verdict. I heard Ranvir Singh talk about it.

I just saw the article that says Andrew made staff run up 4 flights of stairs to close curtains he was sitting right next to, then shouted at her for leaving a gap open.

And how he laughed when his dog bit her leg.

Now waiting for mummy to announce she is opening a bullying enquiry on him.

rubrics - If she was employed as a maid surely closing curtains was part of her duties, so that's what she was being paid to do.

Wouldn't she have had to have signed a confidentiality agreement?

If she was employed as a maid surely closing curtains was part of her duties, so that's what she was being paid to do

Making someone run up 4 flights of stairs to close curtains when you're sat next to them, is disgusting.
Showing other people courtesy and respect even if that's what they're paid to do, is the right thing to do.
I bet a lot of people are delighted he's getting his comeuppance

Maybe she can speak out like this now if he's supposedly just a private citizen

Making someone run up 4 flights of stairs to close curtains when you're sat next to them, is disgusting.

I think it's worse than that isn't it? I thought she'd already closed then but left a chink, so she had to go back up to sort it out.

That's if the story's true of course. Not sure how you can make someone run up 4 flights of stairs!

I agree. Who knows if the story is true.

However... he's a total arse